rousseau Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Most people I met take Mirage F-1 as fighter, particularly as one of best fighter in the contemporary generation fighter. Contrarily, I deliver it as a light bomber or an attacker by feeling without knowledge. Just curiously, what's the turn rate of Mirage F-1, how agile it will be? With considerably small wing area, it should get faster acceleration in believe.
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Against what? The F-1 combat record it's not clearly recorded. Many accounts contradict each other. Some say it fought well against the Cubans, some say it didn't. I like the way it looks and I think it works well at low altitude, but not sure how good it would be in A2A. The gun is big but it does/did not carry a lot of rounds. Also, the medium A2A missiles it carried (R530) does not have the best reputation. Not sure. I will go with no I would not select it. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
sungsam Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 No, it is generally considered underpowered today. But I could choose Mirage 2000 as an option for DF. DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
rousseau Posted February 23, 2012 Author Posted February 23, 2012 If the background set as 60-70's, how good the Mirage F-1 will be in counter-air combat?
sungsam Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Perfect. I know it, couse it has served well here during that time ! :) Edited February 23, 2012 by sungsam 1 DCS F16C 52+ w JHMCS ! DCS AH64D Longbow !
agrasyuk Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 aside of Israel air force i don't know of any Mirages participating in major conflict. In IAF service during the said 60-70's they ripped everything soviet to shreds. they used IIIC's however and alleged lack of piloting skill on their opponent's part was major factor . with that i find the question strange. I don't think anyone who didn't fly the actual mirage (which is the most here :) ) can answer that with authority. i personally going to choose vehicle I own and licenced to operate - toyota camry :) Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 But how reliable is the combat accounts? both sides saying different things. Supposedly, Ecuador used it successfully vs SU-22. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RogueRunner Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 South Africa also used it in the Angola war. With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Did SAAF shoot any aircraft down with it? I think that is one of the occasions were both sides claim different results. I'm sure Iraq also used them against Iran, but they did not fair well against the coalition in ODS AFAIK. Edited February 23, 2012 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RogueRunner Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I know one was lost due to SAM action, another badly damaged but made it home only to overun the runway on landing (no hydraulics) whereupon the seat malfunctioned and the pilot was ejected and subsequently became a quadriplegic. He was a very successful motivational speaker after that. I seem to remember there were a gun kill on a mig but I cannot verify this. EDIT: Found it http://saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3079#p22117 C Edited February 23, 2012 by RogueRunner Added content With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
rousseau Posted March 2, 2012 Author Posted March 2, 2012 According to aerodynamics, fighter jet's turn rate rely more on a lower wing load, however, the MirageF-1's wing load were pretty similar with the F-8 crusader which maximum turn rate was 14d/s, whereas some source online alleged a 20 d/s of ITR for Mirage F-1. It will be unthinkable where was the data taken..... I watched the video Sungsam posted here, in which played an impressive roll rate by Mirage F.1, however the camera set in cockpit didn't suggest such high roll rate could be performed by pilot. The G limit graph dawn by Falcon4 showing 20 d/s ITR either without releasing reason.
RIPTIDE Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 aside of Israel air force i don't know of any Mirages participating in major conflict. In IAF service during the said 60-70's they ripped everything soviet to shreds. they used IIIC's however and alleged lack of piloting skill on their opponent's part was major factor . Not Mirage F-1 though. Wasn't it a later Mirage they had? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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