Load-out weight and fuel load.

[KILSEK]

Hi all.

 

Man, this one is tough to report. It's definitly a bug and worse, a cheat.

 

OK, here's the deal. I took a A-10A and loped it so that it had 9 Mk-84's and 2 rack's of 3 mavericks. This load on the load-out screen allows me to only take 34% of a fuel load. Now, enter a mission and hit refuel. You can top-off the fuel tanks on your AC and now you are over-loaded.

 

I noticed it a couple of nights ago doing a anti ship strike in a 33 with a Kh-41 Moskit and 4 missiles. That was the most I could take and still have enough fuel(I think it was around 92-94%) to do the mission. I powered up, taxied to the runway, and refueled before take-off. I was able to top off, and at that point something seemed wrong.

 

Here is the pics of the A-10A.

 

-KILSEK

[Maverick-90]

well of course you can overload your plane heavily, but i will cost you most performance, i once brought my SU-33 to about 116% it flew, but i was unable even to evade a Shilka firing at me ;-)

Think this is realistic, execpt the fact, you can't overload it directly in the loadout screen.....

[NEODARK]

cool, so we can designate this one a "realistic" bug eh?

 

PS: Now I understand what you meant Kilsek :p

[Maverick-90]

cool, so we can designate this one a "realistic" bug eh?

well actually you CAN overload your ral F-15, Su-33 or whatever....It's Flying abilities are written in another book........

[KILSEK]

Hi all.

 

Yeah, that is exactly what I saw in that mission. The A-10A helped to amplify(by using a heavy load-out & minimal fuel load) and confirm that effect.

 

Oh yeah, it handled like it was over-loaded. It sure seems like a bug though. Not being able to configure it that way on the load-out screen but to do that in game. Getting some feedback from the Dev's & testers would be a good thing.

 

-KILSEK

[S77th-Basscadet]

it happens alot in real life, seen it afew times planes end up going on there arse due to overloading

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

KILSEK - My guess is that the config screen stops you doing it because in real life, an aircraft couldn't safely leave the ground with that weight and runway length (or in naval terms, too heavy for the catapult). US Navy top up the tanks of heavy weapon load planes after they are airborne on a regular basis.

I guess that only the pilots knowledge of how heavy he is with a particular weapon load/fuel load stops him taking too much from the tanker.

 

Tanker: Fill her up Sir?

KILSEK: I'll just take 5,000lbs please, feeling a bit heavy today!

[Guest IguanaKing]

He said he was topping his tanks prior to takeoff though BRD, not refueling in the air. ;)

 

Sounds like a bug to me as well. IRL, A-10s aren't loaded with that much ordnance to begin with, to say nothing of how much fuel is on board. Lots of other factors come into play as well, such as DA for that particular day and time.

[Weta43]

As long as the performance of the plane IS affected, then I don't see it as a bug. The maximum allowed takeoff weight isn't an absolute - it's a safety thing - like the sliding max G imposed in real life with different loadouts to avoid overstressing the airframe.

Presumably the devs just set the max weight as a limit in the relevant screen 'cause that's a reflection of S.O.P. but in reality planes do operate overloaded - & sometimes they crash as a result... All teh runways in LO are long enough to build up takeoff speed at pretty much any load - what we need is something like Wellington airport where 747s can only take off with half a load of passengers & their tanks part full.

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

D'Oh!!! IguanaKing, I didn't register that the 1st time I read it. I read re-fuel and automatically thought "from a tanker".

Me bad!

[KILSEK]

Hi all.

 

I see it as a bug. If overloading in the load-out screen says it won't allow it, but start the mission and you can, it seems like a bug. I was thinking about it and there is 2 ways to look at it.

 

1) It may be a unrepairable bug. There may be no way to stop folks from adding in so much fuel once they are ingame. There really is not much the sim can do once you are in and top off your tanks.

 

2) It may be a repairable bug. At the loadout screen, if you overloaded, it issues a warning.

 

-KILSEK

[Weta43]

As long as the performance of the planes reflect the fact that they're overloaded this is more reflective of reality & I'd rather see it this way...

In real life their is no hard "magic weight" beyond which the feul tanks won't accept any more fuel.

If you can squeeze a bit more gass in & get that extra range, good luck to you - just hope you don't bump into any trouble before you've burnt some of it off.

[Guest IguanaKing]

I'll have to give this a try and see how the aircraft handles on takeoff. Its not the topping off of the fuel tanks that sounds like a bug, but the ability to take off at all, in a given runway length, at a given DA, with the aircraft that severely overloaded is where a bug may lie. ;)

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Yeah ditto. That now of course begs the questions, what weapon loadout gives the maximum weight? The problem is that I have played about with LOPE in the past for a bit of fun and so I cant recall what is/isn't allowed on particular pylons, but anyway I loaded up with CBU-97/3*CBU-97/3*Mk82 and smoke generators (heavier than 'winders or ECM pod) to a weapon loadout of 18,841lb, then used this "bug" to refuel to 10,698lb fuel. Man, it seemed a lot longer takeoff and what a b*tch to get to speed /height, and totally tough to maneuver........

[Guest IguanaKing]

Well, aside from the bug I introduced (by making it possible to load 33 AGM-65Ks :D ), it seems pretty close to reality to me. With that much on-board, the A-10 handles like a pregnant whale and I just start to see a positive rate on the VSI right near the end of the runway. It'd be interesting to see if I could still do this at, say, an airbase in Afghanistan on a hot day. I managed to just squeeze 180 knots out of her, and it took forever to get there. I'd say its pretty close. :cool:

[KILSEK]

Hi all.

 

Yeah, I was sweating as much as the AC was straining to get that load up.

 

So do you think there are many folks who know that they too can put on a heavy load and sacrifice the fuel until they get ingame?

 

-KILSEK

 

I was just thinking :icon_roll . There are folks who don't know about alot of things with what they can do in LO/FC, so it's not too much of a big deal. Folks will figure it out as they go along, just like everything else. Anyway, the word is out.

 

-KILSEK

[Guest IguanaKing]

The worst thing would be if his opponents knew, right off the bat, that he was loaded like that. Just a single STT lock, or, if he was really daring, a missile launch, and he'd either just sit and die, or he'd have to dump his load. In either case, as long as somebody saw him, he could be rendered combat ineffective quite easily. :D

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Recently getting into flying the vanilla Su-25 again (I still only have v1.02). With my fave weapon loadout (8*UB-13 pods - good bang for your buck), I flew an old training mission of my own last night to beat up a convoy of BTR-70's. As I line up there is a big flash in front of me, D'Oh!! I forgot the Mi24 I had set to shadow the convoy, I bank hard, but still get tagged by some of its unguided rockets.

 

"Left engine fire", Nagging Nadia helpfully informs me in her sexy voice.

"Shut up B*tch", I reply as I can well see the warning panel lit up like a d*mn Christmas tree!

 

I pull round and pop the Hind with an R-60 for revenge. Despite the urge to beat up the convoy and risk being finished off by hits from the BTR's, I decide discretion is the watchword so I head for home as I haven't done a single engine landing for ages and I doubtless need the practice.

The Su-25 is handling like a pig with the damage, so remembering this thread about aircraft weight, I CNTRL/R to dump some fuel and a few CNTRL/W pushes to ditch the weapons.

 

Aaaah! That's much better, I pull off a tolerable landing (well, I walked away from it), so Thanks Guys for putting aircraft weight to the front of my mind again.........

[aparkfind]

It's a common problem in these days i think you need to tell about problem a good technician who can solve it and able to provide good solution of it. Results fluctuating while measurement it's not a good sign and cause of many other problems.

Edited September 22, 2014 by aparkfind