UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE by Canadian Minister of Defense May 2013

[UCAS]

OK, I guess nobody doubts that there indeed ARE certain people or groups of them who are quite powerful and have "higher interests". Owners of international corporations, financiers, that kind of people. Unlike regular politicians, they are rarely seen, but be sure their influence on politics is no lesser.

 

After all, where is power in capitalism? Where the money is. And while world governments are usually in red numbers, those businessmen flourish. Make your own judgment.

 

BUT, while I'm certain that those rich people are surely pulling many strings, accusing them from making deals with aliens, spraying us with chemtrails, projecting holographic moon on our skies or controlling our minds through vaccines is far beyond ridiculous.

 

I was shocked when I recently found out how many people believe in this vaccine thing. But I guess it's still better to let you children die from easily avoidable diseases than to support Bilderberg, right? :chair:

Poor, poor little minds.

Totally agree. The aliens part is nonsense. It's just that when there are known, proven cases of politicians accepting money for political favours, and known proven cases of price-fixing, and known proven cases of amazing tax dodging, and known, proven unprosecuted cases of fraud in the banking sector, it baffles me when someone isn't just slightly disturbed by them all meeting in a room together.

 

In all honesty, the alien aspect was probably put out there by the guilty parties so that everyone questioning their meet logically would be accompanied by 10 alien conspiracy theorists and lumped together with them. It's called 'poisoning the ink' - create a bigger, more ridiculous conspiracy to cover up a more logical one.

Edited June 14, 2013 by UCAS

[EtherealN]

'Steering committee' eh? A career in politics surely awaits you.

 

That's the actual name of the body...

 

Not as easy as you think without leaving an electronic trace.

 

You postulate that this is a group with world power that govern stuff like PRISM.

If they're the bosses of PRISM, ECHELON etcetera... Wouldn't they have means to avoid it? Very simple, technologically, to implement.

 

Thatcher (on the way in and out). Clinton. Tony Blair. maybe they''re just running a private reality TV show to be called, "Politician Idol".

 

Thatcher: She was invited when she became leader of the opposition in one of the world's largest powers. Hm... They're inviting now the leader of the opposition in SWEDEN. If being opposition leader in sweden merits invite (and they did the same for the previous one, and she remarkably failed to win last time...), imagine what being opposition leader of the UK means. Causation vs Correlation again: someone has a rising star, they invite her. And then you sort away everyone that doesn't fit your preconceived notion. When I asked for data, I meant REAL data. That is: I want you to defend your postulation that this meeting creates "winners" through checking everyone.

 

Oh, right, none of your Bilderberg fruitcakes ever did that! :)

 

Clinton, same.

Tony Blair: Somehow there was a major delay after his invite. Hmm.

 

Come on now, REAL evidence. Not cherrypicked (and even then bad) favorites. Give me a real analysis where you check Bilderberg invitations against political success. Please don't verify my own prejudices about conspiracy fruits through not already having this data. It was your postulation, remember!

 

You say it's 'quite normal' yet you fail to suggest a plausible reason why such a meeting could be taking place.

 

Wha?

Actually, just read my previous. The answer is in there, and explicitly stated.

 

You mention 'relevance'. Relevance to what? If they're not discussing 'co-operation' between competing businesses, political manipulation and pacts, why would it matter if a person was 'relevant'?

 

To take your own logic:

The GDC is therefore a conspiracy where the entire gaming industry is rigged, because the powers that be meet there (and EXCLUDE intruders! OMGWTF! INTRUDERS NOT ALLOWED? CONSPIRACY!!! (And aliens.)).

 

Seriously?

 

The truth is that there really isn't anything in compliance with anti-competition laws and anti-corruption laws that they could all be doing in a room together that would make such a guest list and a 'steering group' necessary.

 

First, to say this, you have obviously already been present at said meetings.

This insider information of yours clearly demonstrates that you are a shill for the Bilderbergers, executing a double-bluff where your job is to maintain my view that nothing is amiss, through making opposition to the conspiracist claims seem silly. :)

 

Evidence against the conspiracy is evidence of the conspiracy - it just got larger. So you are now a bilderberger. Cool! But since I'm also a shill, I guess I'll meet you there next time. :)

 

And no, you don't need ulterior motives to have a steering committee.

All you need to require a steering committee is... to have a meeting to arrange.

What, you thought conventions magically arrange themselves? No, they don't, they need people to organize them. Like the GDC, E3, music festials or whatever else. Why would this be magically different, except to confirm your preconceived notions in pursuit of your conspiracy theory?

 

Politicians aside, it's wrong for that many business heads to be meeting in the same room for the sake of cartel prevention.

 

So politicians and business leaders should be legally prevented from meeting each other?

Let me ask you: if they already sorted this out, why does business spend billions on DC lobbying? Didn't think about that? :)

 

It's an offence to anti competition laws. If they're not discussing business and politics and vying for a run-around democratic decision making, what exactly do they meet for?[/qoute]

 

Quote me the specific laws.

Hint: your idea of the laws is wrong.

 

You might WANT them to say something else, but that is irrelevant towards what the laws say.

 

So what pray tell are they meeting for in your little imaginary world? Chess?

 

No, they're meeting about exactly the same things threy themseles are publically telling us they're meeting about: they discuss things that are important on the large scale of poltics and economics and exchange ideas. You know, like how game devs and publishers do when they attend GDC.

 

Must have been when they met Bush then.

 

That is a moving goalpost right there, which is dishonest.

You just claimed, with surety and no qualifiers, that it was a meeting with OBAMA that caused PRISM. But did you not spend some time to actually read up on PRISM first? No. You just saw the correlation of the exposure of the program, assumed the shortest connection that fit with what you had already decided, and when this was refuted you just jumped somewhere else with a new assumption rather than go "oh wtf, how did I end up getting that wrong?"

 

Doesn't work like that. This is where you should have gone "hm... wow... I need to check my facts before I open my mouth in future."

 

It's pretty much the same line of thinking. If you believe media, finance and political heads meeting together in private is a good thing, then you're probably naive enough to think corporations give money to political campaigns for a laugh.

 

Non-sequitur: I haven't even mentioned political donations, yet you are already assuming my position on that. And again: we don't do politics on this forum.

 

(As an aside, I live in a country where poltical donations are extremely rare: parties are funded from taxes according to their polling results.)

 

As for whether them meeting is a good thing: it's both. Same way devs and publishers is both good and bad: in some cases it makes sure good concepts get backing, in other cases it means shortsighted dollarhunting on publisher's part kill good ideas. Mixed bag. But that is "REALITY". It's not "devs and publishers meeting to make sure everyone gets crap games".

 

The world's most powerful financiers, media barons and politicians meet in a room and you say the conspiracy is a theory?:doh:

 

Yup.

Why?

Basic logic.

When you postulate a hypothesis, YOU need to defend it.

But that's not what you're doing. You are postulating a hypothesis and stating that unless someone can disprove it, it is true.

 

Well, fine.

 

Disprove the celestial teapot, in orbit around neptune, that authored all of Metallica's music.

 

If you can't... Well, I guess the teapot did it! :D

Edited June 15, 2013 by EtherealN

[cichlidfan]

I must admit that this is more entertaining than some of the History channel offerings.

 

:smartass:

[EtherealN]

I'm vastly bored in a hotel in Perm, so what can I say? :D

 

Happy to have entertained. :D

[EtherealN]

Btw:

 

In all honesty, the alien aspect was probably put out there by the guilty parties so that everyone questioning their meet logically would be accompanied by 10 alien conspiracy theorists and lumped together with them. It's called 'poisoning the ink' - create a bigger, more ridiculous conspiracy to cover up a more logical one.

 

I love the "probably" part.

 

Yeah. That is VERY probable. :megalol:

 

(Btw, surely you mean "poisoning the well?" Though that is actually not quite applicable, this would be the association fallacy - which I admit that I, in my having fun here, has been guilty of.)

 

What we are seeing here is a classic case of "evidence against the conspiracy is evidence FOR the conspiracy". That is, anytime anyone or anything speaks against the conspiracy theory, it is automatically a PART of the conspiracy. Thus refutation of the preferred conclusion becomes impossible, the preferred conclusion is invulnerable, and the offender has insulated themselves against having their view challenged. That is: the EXACT definition of having a "closed mind", which in my opinion is funny since these people often accuse everyone else (except themselves) of being closed-minded. Having an "open" mind tends to be defined as "always buying into the theory no matter what the facts say". :)

 

Thus the conspiacy grows, and this is how I, a lowly forum moderator, managed to get my million dollar check from the bilderbergers this month in defence of ridiculing the people that are tracking the truth! :)

 

Seriously UCAS, I must thank you. Without people like you, I would not be able to milk Kissinger for his millions.

Edited June 15, 2013 by EtherealN

[cichlidfan]

I'm vastly bored in a hotel in Perm, so what can I say? :D

 

Happy to have entertained. :D

 

I had a suspicion along those lines. :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Know what would have been awesome?

 

If this year's Bilderberger conference took place in Perm.

 

Imagine how loud the X-files theme would have played! :)