MSI socket 754 Motherboards Bios update warning

[Pilotasso]

Just to let you know that the latest award BIOS update on MSI site adds the new 1000MHz hyper transport speed. I have gone to BIOS and set multiplier to 5X and everything seems to be running normal. I have tested CPU speeds, and although theres no difference in pure speed I noticed some difference in overal system fluidity. I heard there was no real diference between 800 and 1000 MHz on various sites but I do sense something is different. Specialy when Im opening programs or viewing thumbnails.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

and the warning would be ?

 

also only set the htt to 1000 if your cpu supports it, if not then dont set it to that. also as far as I am aware there is only 1 or 2 socket 754 cpu's that support 2000htt which would be 2 x 1000htt, the rest support 1600 or 2 x 800htt, so unless your cpu actually supports 2000htt then dont set it to 1000.

[Pilotasso]

and the warning would be ?

 

also only set the htt to 1000 if your cpu supports it, if not then dont set it to that. also as far as I am aware there is only 1 or 2 socket 754 cpu's that support 2000htt which would be 2 x 1000htt, the rest support 1600 or 2 x 800htt, so unless your cpu actually supports 2000htt then dont set it to 1000.

 

Warning would be that theres a new option for the Bus speed. ;)

It doesnt affect the CPU at all since the speed remains the same. What changes is the speed how the different components plugged to the motherboard comunicate. Everything checks out OK because neither the temperatures increased or any component is overclocked. I dont think the motherboard maker would give this option without warnings such as those present in the BIOS itself for certain clock features.

 

My CPU is the version that has 512KB of L2 cache cloclking at 2.2GHz. Current BIOS is 2.10. The previous version (1.9) Misednetifyed CPU ID on my machine and tried to set my memory as if it was DDR2. But this one works great. My X52 started to be detected properly on windows start thanks to it. Before I had to plug it in after the system started. It bugged me a bit.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

its not gonna damage anything setting it at x5 - 1000, the only thing it will do is nothing, as if the cpu you have has 1600htt, then it will stay at 1600 regardless of if you set it at x5 1000, the simple fact is, the cpu will act the same and will not go above 1600, now if you set that to x3 then it will set that to 600 x2 = 1200, but it will not go higher.

 

htt is built into the cpu, the bios allows you to change the settings, but it will not go higher than its defaults even if you set it higher, the cpu has to support a higher htt before x5 comes into play for any cpu with 1600htt.

 

AMD have or had a good piece about htt on there cpu's, check out amd.com and see if its still there, it should be i presume.

 

your cpu supports 1600htt.

to be honest, the only time I would figure anyone messing with that setting is to set it to x4 or x3 when it was set at x5 to overclock there cpu, as basically you have to underclock htt to overclock newer amd cpu's.

 

good to see that the new bios has fixed some other niggly problems, i have a msi neo v board in another pc, and when i have usb stuff connected to it, the fuxer dont wanna boot ? so i have to unplug certain usb devices, not all usb things do it, just a couple, but it is a pain right enough.

basically it was similar to your x52 problem, but it would stop the post screen just after it was searching for boot devices.

[Pilotasso]

Dude I have programs that reads the clocks of all components on my system. Sysoft SANDRA is one of them. It detects HTT at 1000MHz.

 

Even more the CD that came with my motherboard allowed me to fiddle with every single clocked chip on motherboard on the Fly in windows. Including memory and HTT. My BIOS also suports dynamic Overclocking. There are socket 754 Motherboards that support 1000MHz HTT from factory.

 

Believe me Its set at 1000MHz's.

[TomKatt]

Did you try MSI core center?

[Pilotasso]

Yup I have it loaded right now. It alows to see temperatures and controll the fans. It can also engage dynamic overclock bypassing the BIOS but I leave it alone. My system OC's badly and sometimes Dybamic OC freezes my system if certain memory speeds are achieved. Unfortunatly the memory lock mechanism at 200MHZ didnt apear to be working previously. I have to try with this new BIOS someday.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

it sets it on your motherboard thus thats where sandra gets the info from, but in reality, it does nothing. just cause it is set at that doesnt mean that it is working at that speed. similar to i can set my ram to 500mhz, but it sure as f00k wont run at 500mhz.

 

dynamic overclocking doesnt overclock ur htt, its for your fsb and some other things, it leaves htt alone.

 

the cpu has htt at 1600, thus it will not go higher than 1600 even if you do set it at that, all programs that read stuff will get the reading from the motherboard which will be set at x5 = 1000 but in reality it does nothing, your cpu needs to have 2000htt in order for you to benefit from it, if your cpu is 1600 then as i say above setting it higher wont do jack, it will only show as x5 in the bios but do nothing in reality.

[Pilotasso]

LOL scots. YOu missed half of my post your referring to. There are MOBO's for socket 754 with HTT at 1000HZ, and NVIDIA tools lets me change HTT on the fly. Both of these are there just to pretend?!

Im on Nforce 250GB you know. If you were talking about VIA's you would be right.

 

Please show me worng, Honestly. :)

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

ah mebbe, cuz i be using via chippy on this one, so that maybe true i dunno.

 

i using the neo v craptastic board with kt800 chipset and thats the way it works wiv me.

 

also, just cuz i be using via chippy, nvidia tools is used for a host of motherboards, and yes some settings will be there but will infact do nada unless you have the board and cpu that supports that option, many motherboards have options on them that do jack, and with nvidia stuff, well it is desgined for nforce all the way upto nf4, so some thing will work and some other wont regardless of if you can change the setting or not.

 

I use nvidia shit on my nf4 board and there is somethings that i can mess with but dont do anything.

 

the way i was always led to believe it was the cpu is rated at say 1600htt, the motherboard has options for it to go to 800htt, a bios update bring it upto 1000htt, that does not suddenly make ur cpu 2000htt.

 

the htt as u say is to speed up transport of info across certain parts of the board & the cpu thus making things faster, but as i said before i still believe that your cpu needs to be rated at 2000htt to take advantage of it, and just cuz you can change thing on the fly doesnt mean shit, all it means is, that it allows you to access your bios while in windows, so if you can change ur htt to x5 in the bios and you have a program that allows you to change it via the bios then sure it will allow you to change to x5 - 1000, but as i said above, just cuz you can change it in the bios does NOT mean it will actually take effect. All monitoring programs will get the info from your bios, thus it will show you what you have it set at, but if you were to run a test of some kind, I dont think you will find any difference. now you put in a cpu that has 2000htt then you will, but as amd says that your and my cpus are 1600htt, now tell me what that has to do with a motherboard ?

 

Just cuz a motherboard bios update adds a new function or multiplyer, does not mean that that function will work on your cpu.

 

and also, can you tell me how a bios update can turn a amd 1600htt chip into a 2000htt chip ?

 

its impossible as its built into the cpu.

 

if it was as easy as you say to just turn up your htt, then why does people turn down there htt when overclocking ? for the simple fact that rasing the fsb raises the htt thus fuxing things up, thats why you have to keep it below 1000 when overclocking...

 

thats why the conclusion that i come to is that, sure you can turn it up in the bios, sure you can change it on the fly, as on the fly is just a windows based bios utility, but just cuz u can change a settings does not mean in any way that it will take effect, even tho everything says that it is running at such n such htt.

basically, you need a cpu that has 2000htt to take advantage of 1000, as everything is doubles i.e 800x2 =1600htt, now if your cpu is 1600, can you double 1000 and fit it into 1600 ?

[Pilotasso]

The clock isnt built in phisicaly. There are phisical locks. Sometimes they can be overriden such as the AMD vannila with the pencill trick. Thing is they are there simply to prevent the user from changing them.

 

There are 2 reasons for this:

-Reliability

Some chips simply cant handle certain speeds. If forced to that they start producing errors.

-Marketing. Maker makes same chips but sells them at different prices and tries to keep that way from smart a$$ overclockers who dodge buying more expensive for the same speeds.

 

Certain MOBO makers cant provide certain features at start because there wasnt enough testing for something that at the time was not essencial or would delay launch. It turns out that sometimes a chip can prove reliable enough with time to support new features, thanks to more scrutinous compatibility testing and BIOS debugging ETC.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

agreed that during the lifespan of certain things, more options become available due to the fact that thousands if not millions of people have bought that certain product, and that company has spent money on more resources, but i still think that in order to get the htt higher on the cpu would be to do some weird ass trick like the pencil one or hacking off some pins on the cpu. I dont think it can be done entirely via the bios alone.

I may be entirely wrong, but unless there is some physical interaction between the actual cpu and a human, i dont think software would do it alone, unless it came from amd, but anyway, aslong as your happy then i am happy :)