Serp Supreme Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Hey all, short and sweet. Well, not that sweet but the short part still applies. I've been flying the Ka-50 lately with a new X-65F and the trimmer seems to be functioning oddly. I used an X-52 before this, and whenever I activated the trimmer with that the trimmer would immediately set wherever the stick was as the position for the stick, etc etc etc. Now with this stick, I go to release the trimmer and its almost like there are only a few set values that the trimmer can be at in the x-axis, the y and twist axis seem to work fine. For example, when I finish a turn I return the stick to what would be the center position using the RCtrl+enter thing in the corner, and upon releasing the trimmer the stick immediately jumps a little bit to the left. If I release the trimmer a little bit right of the center, it will return roughly to the center position. The problem is that the stick isn't staying where I released the trimmer. Any help with this? Could it possibly have to do with the deadzones on my stick that i set up, in order to mask the stick not being centered from the start? This post is protected by a pilot who has a serious lack of negotiating skills, but is absolute hell in a dogfight. If you do not belong here, please leave. You have now been properly negotiated with. MiG-29S Instant Action Mission Fix Come check out and add to my list of all landmarks in DCS World! ^that works now
algerad3 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 For some reason the X-65 does not play right with the sim... For me I set my path, click to trim then I have to click the trimmer before I get to influence any changes with the stick. I do not remember this happening when I first got the stick and I have not researched the issue yet. Could be anything , but I will try and figure it out soon. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPIAS FOR Saitek: Saitek Flight instrument panels and X-52 pro mfd scripts for Dcs http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94174
Flagrum Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Hey all, short and sweet. Well, not that sweet but the short part still applies. I've been flying the Ka-50 lately with a new X-65F and the trimmer seems to be functioning oddly. I used an X-52 before this, and whenever I activated the trimmer with that the trimmer would immediately set wherever the stick was as the position for the stick, etc etc etc. Now with this stick, I go to release the trimmer and its almost like there are only a few set values that the trimmer can be at in the x-axis, the y and twist axis seem to work fine. For example, when I finish a turn I return the stick to what would be the center position using the RCtrl+enter thing in the corner, and upon releasing the trimmer the stick immediately jumps a little bit to the left. If I release the trimmer a little bit right of the center, it will return roughly to the center position. (because of this - or similar effects - I never managed to get used to the X-65 :-( ) The problem is that the stick isn't staying where I released the trimmer. Any help with this? Could it possibly have to do with the deadzones on my stick that i set up, in order to mask the stick not being centered from the start? Have you checked the force settings? Maybe this effect is caused by the weight of your hand lifted off the stick? Hrm. What I mean is, if you rest your hand on the stick and if your force settings are rather low, the stick already gives input "deflected to the right" to DCS. If you now press trimmer and release the stick to let it "return to center", that additional input to the right is then also removed and thus causing some sort of oversteering to the left?
Serp Supreme Posted January 12, 2014 Author Posted January 12, 2014 Have you checked the force settings? Maybe this effect is caused by the weight of your hand lifted off the stick? Hrm. What I mean is, if you rest your hand on the stick and if your force settings are rather low, the stick already gives input "deflected to the right" to DCS. If you now press trimmer and release the stick to let it "return to center", that additional input to the right is then also removed and thus causing some sort of oversteering to the left? That actually might be it, although I dont think my deadzones are going to move unless the stick itself gets worse and worse off-center over time which I don't find likely This post is protected by a pilot who has a serious lack of negotiating skills, but is absolute hell in a dogfight. If you do not belong here, please leave. You have now been properly negotiated with. MiG-29S Instant Action Mission Fix Come check out and add to my list of all landmarks in DCS World! ^that works now
piXel496 Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) I use this stick too, although not with the KA50 but the huey and with seperate pedals. I use the lightest force setting and no deadzones, it is very precise. Using rudder from the stick is difficult to trim because you have to coordinate 3 axis. If the stick is not deadcentre you have to recalibrate it. With the driver from Saitek or if you know what you do remove the faulty keys from your registry. The only aberation I noticed was when using the f65x with an usb3.0 port. Release the stick for a moment after trimming as CaptainPecan said, thats what works for me. Cheers, . Edited January 13, 2014 by piXel496 because I can. old stuff I made
atsmith6 Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi I have an X-65F and have flown the KA-50 with it. There is an issue with mine that may be the same for you. The stick never truely centres. With mine, if I have my hands off, the input sent to the computer is very slightly off centre both up and to the right. This meant that the centre trimmer mode never gets a stick centred message. If fixed this by setting the dead zone to be just beyond the offset error in my stick, so when I was hands-off the drivers reported stick-centred to operating system. Also, the twist rudder on the X-65 is unworkable for me when flying helos (fine for planes). I unmapped the rudder axis from the stick and used pedals instead. I also eventually stopped using the stick centring trimmer mode for other reasons. Hope that's useful.
piXel496 Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 an urgent tip. If the stick does not center I advise you to do something about it. It is a waste of the precise hardware if you camouflage it with deadzones. Some info. There is probably more if you search the net. . old stuff I made
danilop Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) 1) Minimum 5.0Kgf (11 lbsf) force setting on the stick. The larger the force, the more stable the centering. The default x65f force values are joke and are meant for casual gamer and stick which is not fixed to the table - X65f needs to be fixed down for best performance (throttle too). Get small(ish) woodworking clamps if you don't want to screw it down for good. 2) Beta 7.0.10.6 drivers (with calibration). Calibrate once a day, more or less. Enjoy trouble and dead zone free performance from x65f ... :) Edited January 14, 2014 by danilop
atsmith6 Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Thanks for the tip piXel496. Will definitely try it out :)
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