Arrgghh Ubi Online!

[Hawg11]

Having a forum, is not support. That only provides a place for other people to support them.

 

That's your opinion :)

 

It's interesting that you pick and choose.

There's no sticky at this (ED's) site pointing to HyperLobby. By your reasoning that means ED doesn't support online gamers.

I don't see you upset that ED has no online lobby. Why is that?

 

Fact, we get support from ED here as often as from the community.

 

From that point of view, it appears that ED discontinued support of LockOn at UBI. How can you fault UBI for that?

[Frostie]

Why should I create a 1.02 community at HL when a strong one already exists at UBI? It's couter-productive. Players go where other players are. What part of that don't you get?

There you go again with that anti HL crap, why is it counter-productive to expand???

 

So, you want me to load UBI, PM everyone to tell them I'm at HL, Close UBI, load HL, host a gunzo mission and wait...hoping someone joins my game?

 

To me, it would be less of a "waste of time" to load UBI, Host a gunzo mission and start playing with others online right away. Wouldn't you agree?

No what should be in your best interests is encouraging peeps to checkout HL, nothing too wasteful about that.

 

*Trance mode on* It does make sense. It does make sen...hey wait a minute!*Trance mode off*

You almost had me :) Are you a hypnotist?

Are you just trying to be clever or just awkward, whats being said is not hard to grasp if you would just swallow some humble pie.:D

[Hawg11]

Do you post by a different name elsewhere, by any chance? I just find it interesting that you have 4 total posts. And of that 3 have been addressed to me.

 

Your rant would have some credibility.

[WhiskeyRomeo]

First of all I'd like to say I think I'm about the most neutral person posting in this thread so far. I rarely fly @ Ubi or Hyperlobby. Most of my MP experiance is LAN or Direct-IP and Im strictly an air-to-mud type. I think we all agree we should support the Lock On community. But also remember that also includes the people flying at Ubi.com, the Lock On owners that fly only single player, and the future Lock On flyers who havent shown up online or in the forums yet.

 

Secondly I'll say I think my support to the Lock On community measures up well against any other single individual or even squadron. Browse the LockOn Community Help forum for the past 2+ years for examples.

 

I've even stuck up for Hyperlobby back when people were saying it was a trojan program and opened ports through the firewall (ala Galen Thurber hysteria) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/38610606/m/21510347/

 

 

This will probably be my last post in this thread considering the direction its going. Pretty sad when a group of Lock On guys can't keep a civil discussion going on a fairly important topic, isnt it?

 

169th_Fudd - the idea is GOOD. But spend more time planning and then implementing the plan about what you're actually going to do with those people when they start showing up here. As things are right now I think a lot will show up, look around, give a shrug and go away as so many others have. Thats my opinion.

 

Prophet_169th - if the Hyperlobby community is such a fun and friendly place to be - where the heck is everyone? You guys can't point fingers at Hawg or I and say its our fault your servers are empty most of the time.

 

It takes no extra money at all to setup some practice servers for the new people / casual players. Whats the point of you guys paying big bucks for the dedicated servers and them being empty more than half the time? Get the big squads together and coordinate one of the dedicated servers to be a practice mission when its not being otherwise engaged.

 

PS:

Prophet_169th

Ubisoft is a Corportion not a community.

Chat was disabled in all Ubi game lobbies due to problems in other games, not Lock On.

The deal with UbiSoft is OLD news - get over that and get on with supporting, as you say, the community.

[Prophet_169th]

That's your opinion :)

 

It's interesting that you pick and choose.

There's no sticky at this (ED's) site pointing to HyperLobby. By your reasoning that means ED doesn't support online gamers.

I don't see you upset that ED has no online lobby. Why is that?

 

 

 

From that point of view, it appears that ED discontinued support of LockOn at UBI. How can you fault UBI for that?

 

It is obvious there is no use it discussing this with you. You will use whatever logic you can to keep yourself from being wrong, in your head.

 

ALL HAIL UBI!

[Prophet_169th]

First of all I'd like to say I think I'm about the most neutral person posting in this thread so far. I rarely fly @ Ubi or Hyperlobby. Most of my MP experiance is LAN or Direct-IP and Im strictly an air-to-mud type. I think we all agree we should support the Lock On community. But also remember that also includes the people flying at Ubi.com, the Lock On owners that fly only single player, and the future Lock On flyers who havent shown up online or in the forums yet.

 

Secondly I'll say I think my support to the Lock On community measures up well against any other single individual or even squadron. Browse the LockOn Community Help forum for the past 2+ years for examples.

 

I've even stuck up for Hyperlobby back when people were saying it was a trojan program and opened ports through the firewall (ala Galen Thurber hysteria) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/38610606/m/21510347/

 

 

This will probably be my last post in this thread considering the direction its going. Pretty sad when a group of Lock On guys can't keep a civil discussion going on a fairly important topic, isnt it?

 

169th_Fudd - the idea is GOOD. But spend more time planning and then implementing the plan about what you're actually going to do with those people when they start showing up here. As things are right now I think a lot will show up, look around, give a shrug and go away as so many others have. Thats my opinion.

 

Prophet_169th - if the Hyperlobby community is such a fun and friendly place to be - where the heck is everyone? You guys can't point fingers at Hawg or I and say its our fault your servers are empty most of the time.

 

It takes no extra money at all to setup some practice servers for the new people / casual players. Whats the point of you guys paying big bucks for the dedicated servers and them being empty more than half the time? Get the big squads together and coordinate one of the dedicated servers to be a practice mission when its not being otherwise engaged.

 

PS:

Prophet_169th

Ubisoft is a Corportion not a community.

Chat was disabled in all Ubi game lobbies due to problems in other games, not Lock On.

The deal with UbiSoft is OLD news - get over that and get on with supporting, as you say, the community.

 

Well for 1, you must be getting online at the wrong time. Most of the time when I fly, there is ~12 people in the 504, ~12 people in 169th, and even more in other servers.

 

And the whole deal with UbiSoft is directly related to the community. Why would you show any form of support for a company that has dumped the product.

 

Fact is, LOMAC has no chance to grow at UBI. Only here.

 

Sorry you have had a bad experience with HL.

[Frostie]

Do you post by a different name elsewhere, by any chance? I just find it interesting that you have 4 total posts. And of that 3 have been addressed to me.

 

Your rant would have some credibility.

Why r u you obssessing with the amount of posts people have submitted, doesnt mean jack, for the record am no longer member of squad I was named as. :)

[Prophet_169th]

Currently

 

[S77th-konkussion]

LOL oh aren't you cute. Yes everyone, Whiskey is the exalted grand poobah of the Ubi help forum- no one else has ever done anything to assist there. I have answered the question regarding the fire button at least 2-300 times. and a LOT more than that too. Now you take the one time when I was getting tired of it & make a sorry attempt to paint me as belligerent, or unwilling to assist?

 

Thankfully- I participate in the live community quite a lot, and I do an awful lot of live assistance with new guys far & above what I do on the forums- so they all know better. What a coward. Twisting around reality to suit your needs. Have a nice day.

[Hawg11]

Currently

 

I'm not surprised in the least that you didn't bother to get the stats for the "other" lobby. Your thinking is one sided, thus your facts only show one side.

 

 

What a coward...

 

And then they reduce it to insults. Ony a matter of time :(

[Weta43]

Get a grip!

Despite starting with an important topic, that had to be one of the most childishly conducted threads - by both sides - that I have seen in all the time I've been visiting this forum

[Prophet_169th]

I'm not surprised in the least that you didn't bother to get the stats for the "other" lobby. Your thinking is one sided, thus your facts only show one side.

 

Hawg, drop it. I didnt grab the stats, because I didnt feel like it. Instead of just trying to insult, why didnt you go grab them?

 

And like you love to say, thats your opinion....

[Prophet_169th]

Get a grip!

Despite starting with an important topic, that had to be one of the most childishly conducted threads - by both sides - that I have seen in all the time I've been visiting this forum

 

And sorry you feel this way, I have no intention of appearing childish. But there was almost 2 full pages of nothing but good things, until a few decided to try and bring in some discord.

 

There is no way I will change my opinion, that it is rediculuous to give anything to UBI once they dropped the game.

 

We wouldnt even have 1.1 in the US had it not been for some creative thinking by ED.

 

The UBI LOMAC forums are the #2 forum they have. After seeing the support, they should have continued to support.

 

So I say, like they have done to LOMAC and ED, they should be dropped.

[Hawg11]

Regardless, my offer stands to assist, if you decide to host at 1.11, 1.12 at Ubi.

 

As i said, I think it could be valuable to spread the word there about FC and BS, for those who don't know about it.

 

Cheers.

[S77th-konkussion]

Anyway- I'm done with the lot of em. I've been slo-wly adding a FAQ type section to my site...

 

http://konkussion.proboards60.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=lomac&thread=1137193042&page=1

 

I hope that it can become a bit of a catch-all for new guys to refer to for all of the most common questions that come up over & over& over again. Comments? additions?

 

and ill clean up the punctuation & grammar later.. :P

[Prophet_169th]

Regardless, my offer stands to assist, if you decide to host at 1.11, 1.12 at Ubi.

 

As i said, I think it could be valuable to spread the word there about FC and BS, for those who don't know about it.

 

Cheers.

 

For me, its not a problem to get a game hosted.

 

And I think it would be valuable too. Throw a server up Hawg!

[Hawg11]

For me, its not a problem to get a game hosted.

 

And I think it would be valuable too. Throw a server up Hawg!

 

What I was saying earlier was that you might want to look in to asking the leadership at the 169th if they'd be willing to host a server at Ubi to drum up interest in 1.11, 1.12. http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=162339&postcount=35

 

I thought it was clear that I don't use 1.11, as yet.

 

I do serve 1.02 online when I play.

[Weta43]

It's just like listening to a Bolshevic discussion at university in the good old days - do we (Hawg11) support the unions in their short term struggle to make the everyday lives of the workers now better, even though in doing so we make capitalism (UBI) stronger and postpone the day when they throw off their shackles, or stand fast in our principles & watch them suffer while bringing forward the day of the revolution (when everyone's on HL), & make ourselves appear divorced from the workers' struggle (Prophet - no offence meant).

 

I think generaly where they used to settle was around providing the support & educating at the same time.

 

As s/one who - out of fear of the girlfriend leaving me if I give the computer ANY more time - only has dialup & so only plays SP, but would like to play MP:

 

Idealy there should be a single port of call for finding a game: Most people don't want to have to look around for a place to play - they want to take the "obvious" choice - popularity begets popularity - hence the rise of VHS, Internet Explorer & google. technical advantages are secondary.

 

Presumably E.D. want to reach a critical mass where if you think simming you thing LO => lockon.ru => HL.

 

However - at the moment here ARE 2 significant avenues for the LO MP game. If you want to contact and recruit as many players as possible to multiplayer LO>FC>BS, you have to be active at both places, without being openly disparaging of the one you want to recruit from, then once you've built up a relationship with the community through your generosity, wisdom & expertise, you educate people to the advantages of 1.1 & 1.2 then you invite them over - & if it's truly better they'll stay.

 

That's how I got here - went to lo-mac.com, saw posts by helpful, seemingly knowledgable people recomending lockon.ru, had a look & "saw the light". It was the fact that they were pleasant (mostly) & helpful in THAT community that got me over to this one.

 

If you start out by telling people that the decisions they have made show how wrong headed they are, you'll just harden attitudes & cement loyalties (see from page 2 on).

 

I wasn't going to look a this threa anymore, but I'm weak :-)

[Prophet_169th]

LOL, good summary Weta43.

 

I have no problem hosting a game in UBI, the problem I have is with other people suggesting that other people do it, instead of taking the initiative themselves.

 

Also, with 169th beta testing, it is not feasable to host in UBI.

 

Also, hosting a 1.12 server in UBI is moot. Since most wont have it anyways.

 

And since there is no chat, you cant even inform them of it. Though they may see 1.12 and wonder, what is that? But then you cant even direct them there.

[Hawg11]

Nice analogy Weta43.

 

I have no problem hosting a game in UBI, the problem I have is with other people suggesting that other people do it, instead of taking the initiative themselves.

 

I host games in Ubi all the time. I don't ask people to do what I'm not willing to do myself. It's a trait taken from my military training.

[104th_Crow]

too bad there is no way to simultaneously host through both.

[Hawg11]

too bad there is no way to simultaneously host through both.

 

Rgr that. I tried a long time ago, to no avail :(

 

I'll send an e-mail to Jiri at HyperLobby to ask him if he could implement this feature. If enough of us ask, maybe he'll do it :)

[Prophet_169th]

Maybe possible if you had 2 installations?

*edit* nope just tried.

 

I dont think it has anything to do with HL. Unable to open 2 instances of the game, even from different paths.

[Prophet_169th]

Nice analogy Weta43.

 

 

 

I host games in Ubi all the time. I don't ask people to do what I'm not willing to do myself. It's a trait taken from my military training.

 

Uh, you are asking to host a 1.12 server in UBI. You do that?

 

You have asked many times for us to.

 

Regardless, I have a server up right now labels on, all externals on, mini hud on, reduced G effects, wonder how many people will join....... so far 0.

 

Sacrificing time I could be flying with everyone else........

 

Not intending to insult, im just saying, no ones gonna join.

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Nice post Weta43, you beat me to the punch. I have read through both pages of this thread getting more depressed at its tone. Many people posting in it are folks who I have a great deal of time and respect for based on their previous postings here and elsewhere.

 

Like Weta43, the only reason I know about the Lockon.ru forum is because of what I read on the UBI forum. I have no particular love for UBI either, but of course it is where folks go first after getting Lomac, so I still visit its forum to help out the n00bs if I can, and equally it is no surprise to me that folks initially fly on-line there. Whilst I agree that UBI is an eventual dead end, we have to be pragmatic. We are not such a large community that we can afford to be arguing amongst ourselves about such issues....