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I'm still suffering from wiped keybinds after an update and it seems more DCS users are experiencing this keybind frustration. I have given up with Joy pro as found that missed some keybinds when re importing. The only 100% way I found to get all my keybinds back is to re import from a saved config after previously saving the C:\Users\xxxxxx\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config folder Really this should not be such an issue and I'm confident that I've never ever experienced such keybind woes in any other game I've ever used. It's so disheartening to open DCS to find no keybinds for any modules after an update.

I'm still very upset about the time and effort I have to put in to keybinds to use DCS, so much so I've not even fired it up after the latest update. As I don't want to have to face replaying all my saved configs for each of the modules I have. Maybe they are all there, waiting for me, but I seriously doubt it. The only sure fire way I have found to re introduce all my many keybinds is to copy the; C:\Users\*****\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config\ folder ( to another location) after any config changes and then when I use a module (after an update) and then finding no key binds is to individually import each of the three saves, 1 each for pedal, stick and throttle. I found Joypro a bit hit and miss at times - sometimes it will add some but not all keybinds. Then I don't know until I fire up and press a button and get no response. I did reach out out to DCS back in March and got this response. "the best option is to make a backup of your input folder in saved games, you can then import them when needed. Often controller ID changes are created by windows updates, had it happen to me recently also. I know it can be frustrating when it happens, having to reassign manual is a pain, sometimes you can still import the profiles but not always. I suppose I have just got used to it over the years and reassigning is a 10 minute process. We do have plans for a controls wizard in the future that should help with this process over many aircraft, we will share news when it is ready. " I'm not sure if I should quote the DM, but I'm that frustrated with the whole keybind thing that I guess I don't even care anymore.

Removing one file from the .miz file would improve the new user experience, along with the many others who use these quick missions, so worth doing I wouldn't doubt.

Removed some of the snapview.lua files that I found in the .miz mission files, tried the same quick missions and all good now for those missions. Do these miz files get replaced on updates? Or is it about time they where corrected at source.

Don't disagree at all for same control across modules. What about all the individual controls etc that are unique to individual modules (which I was referring too)?

Checked my snap view in the snapview.lua has a time date stamp of when I lasted edited yesterday - haven't changed anything today SnapViews["P-51D"] = { [13] = {--default view viewAngle = 91.992798,--FOV SnapViews["SpitfireLFMkIX"] = { [13] = {--default view viewAngle = 109.978734,--FOV

Really thought I'd cracked this - but no. Spent, again, literally another load of hours on this (and not enjoying DCS in the meanwhile) as its really frustrating having to set the FOV and or Zoom View axis up each mission or flight or have it change mid flight. Created this success video as I was jubilant at having resolved - albeit for 2 modules and used a couple of the quick missions whilst testing. Tried now (a day later) and the FOV zoom is different for some of the quick missions I have tried - it's still the same for the the 2 I used whilst setting up. Why is this and can this actually be prevented or is this just another accepted feature of DCS? I'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever get a session on DCS where by I'm not going to have to keep making do? I'll do another video showing all the missions with the FOV and will add later. The method how I've saved the FOV and Zoom view axis detent for both the Spitfire and P-51 I'll shorten for quickness; Head tracking off Show the Frame rate counter - Service info, double press to show FOV Adjusted View and FOV to where I want Save Cockpit Angles Zoom View - Tune combo Axis - select slider and curve - adjusted the mid 50 slider to reflect the correct FOV level and adjust the other curve sliders to smooth the curve. Making the midpoint 110 FOV for the Spitfire and 92 FOV for the P-51 Save On trying out this works for only some of the missions I've since found. I have tried selecting and deselecting under Game misc options - Sync cockpit controls with HOTAS controls on mission start - makes no difference selected or not. Couple of clips showing the different FOV's P-51 FOV set to 92 and Zoom axis mid detent is also set to 92 Spitfire FOV set to 110 and Zoom axis mid detent is also set to 110

I think JoyPro has made my controller worries almost nonexistent now. Still a little to configure but in a better place now anyhow. Thanks for all the help and positive comments, much appreciated

Dawn Bomber escort mission, doesn't go so well for E for Easy. I'm way out of position and a single snapper is all it takes, lose sight of the snapper then head for Manston for a touch and go before RTB. This ends up more touch than go owing to another new control bind fudge.

Sorry if I omitted that I did in fact download and have set up Joypro - a useful tool, that I've now spent the best part of 8-10 hours on over the last few days configuring and the like. Joypro is a good tool for sure but it still requires a certain level of aptitude, knowledge and dare I say it perseverance to workout why one keybind won't get exported when 50 will. It's a good tool for all the generic controls but for the Spitfire alone I've added 25 individual relations, not a complaint just an observation. Got the BF109, P51's P47, and both Fw's to do. I tried importing from DCS but it brings everything for the planes you select - whereas I probably only need 10-15 ish. It's another layer of "complexity" that in my view could be well avoided. In my simplistic view, all these controller "wheels" that have been re invented, as it where, many many hours spent by the community to improve a product could've (should've?) been undertaken by the source via feature request etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware of software life cycles, workflow priorities and the like. RnD and nice touches don't bring in the cash, releases and shiny things do.

Thanks for your reply @HC_Official Sorry but I do disagree with you there, it has lots to do with DCS. Customer satisfaction for one. In simple terms if I create a thing to work alongside another thing that's been around a few years and that thing then breaks my thing - whose responsibility is it to get my thing working again? I'll hopefully not make this post to you but to the general reader - nothing is personally aimed. Control assignments and their workings is possibly the number one general dissatisfaction DCS users have with DCS. Yes, we all have our own tastes and quirks but from what I've read whilst searching for help with my controller issues, lots of DCS users - who post - seem to have had controller assignment issues and or are taking very robust measures to avoid experiencing controller issues. Why was Joypro created? To solve a shortcoming in a bought piece of software. To cite some posts' I've read; you have taken a great deal of frustration out of the little recreation time I have looked at the start screen, realized I'd have hours of control configuring to do...closed the game Got a friend who wants to get back into DCS but can't be bothered to set up controls again (lol) Have been a fan of DCS for many years, however, have not spent many hours on it due to hotas setup difficulties. I am once again struggling with setup issues after convincing myself to purchase the F18 Hornet. Same frustration is emerging I know (somehow) the people who actually post, anything, online is a very small proportion of a user base - Take right now DCS forum 21-03-2024 1035 GMT Who's Online 193 Members, 0 Anonymous, 925 Guests You can be sure that even on top of those 1000, of those 193 members maybe 5 will post, there are lots more who don't even bother with forums etc for games. I had a discussion with my daughter just recently - didn't know some stuff and embarrassed\not confident to put her hand up in class. I said don't be embarrassed as you can be 100% sure at least 1 other person (if not more) will be wondering the same thing-got the same problem. Take a breath put your hand up and brave it out - you'll feel better afterwards and maybe get thanks, even a discrete nod of appreciation from others - in the same situation too. In other words don't just sit there and do nothing. I also said going round in circles trying to accomplish what should be a straight forward enough task is also like doing nothing as eventually you'll end right back at where you started from. I did reach out to ED and did get feedback that they are working on a control wizard to be released at some point in the future. To be honest with DCS, as a relatively new user had I the very short amount of free time I had previously to 12-18 mths ago I'd still be playing War Thunder 100% of the time. As that's a game - love it or hate it - you can pick up and just play. Now, if I can't dedicate a couple of hours then I don't even look at DCS. Fun fact; I stopped playing other flight sims back in 2013-14 and have 100% only played War Thunder until March 2023 when I felt I had the time and was ready to get back into some more serious stuff - I chose DCS - did I make a mistake - I genuinely don't think so, it's not been an easy ride more's the pity. what a post!

Got it, thanks @speed-of-heat

Not able to download JoyPro at the moment, it seems there's a problem with the Github repository or something. There's a problem raised (18th March) for unable to download any Joypro build.

Thanks, I've watched the video and GR even said "when ED bring out something like this......" I'll drop BN a DM see if there's anything in\on the roadmap at all for controllers and the like. I'll get this set up and give it a go - With JoyPro, how easy is to rectify new controller ID's as I experienced earlier,? I think I've spent more time in dev\testing\setting up than actually sitting down enjoying flying and "gitting gud" with DCS over the last year

Moved my PC from the cabinet to a desk as the PC just outgrew its home and rearranging the controllers before and after each time I wanted to DCS took its time. Configuring new buttons often means they get forgotten, a short clip of a slower than ideal take off.