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When did I blame ED for anything? I stated what I wanted, I finally got the confirmation to a rumor I had read. I did not ask to have posters try to convince me that DD was better. I already know what format I want and I've also stated that I am happy to wait for it. I think this thread can be closed, before someone else wishes to start another debate that I do not want to be a part of.

Thank you for your kind reply. I would have been happy if someone had just said "The date is not known yet", though WAGs did give me a close enough answer by confirming the rumor I had heard. I'm glad you took the time to do just that. This whole discussion about DVD vs. DD was not what I wanted since I already knew what I wanted.

Good luck getting the answer. If you find out, please let me know. Seems people here are not interested in what you want unless it's what they want. Seems other countries get DVDs but here in the US, when we ask for it, we're told to accept Direct Download as the prefered medium. Which has nothing to do with the question.:doh:

Going back to the TOPIC, my question was WHEN will the DVD be available in the US? I was not rushing anyone, just asking a question and I am willing to wait to get it in the format that I prefer. Still can't figure out why some can't seem to accept that.:pilotfly:

Yes, I am and I sure hope it is worth the wait, because it looks great.:pilotfly:

Sorry to laugh EtherealN, but your entire reply goes on the assumption that I thought the $240,000 was pure profit. I knew better than that, that's why I never used the word profit in my comment. Also, I only used the numbers you provided to show that it made no sense. Of course they will sell more that 4,000 copies in 1 year. Hopefully they will sell 4,000 in 1 month, or have already done so. As for the reply from nomdeplume, Seems you are not aware that many companies release patches for those with disk copies and those patches can be backed up to keep for as long as you keep the disks. Also, I think you missed my prior comment (possibly on another thread), where I stated that I do not enjoy MP Sims, so if ED ever stopped supporting the Sim and it has Single player mode, I would still be happy playing the Sim with any latest patch prior to closing support. Also, I could give it away as a gift or sell it if I don't like it and that would remove my chance to play it (following EULA). As for Atari, I do recall the dumping. It was not this current "Atari" (formerly known as Infogrames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari ), but the original Atari company and the game was "E.T. Extra Terrestrial", based on the movie and it was dumped into landfill because the game was sooo bad. I've played with PCs (in one form or another), since I was 13, I'm now 45. I do have an understanding of the differences between DD and Disk copies. I remember when games came on Datasettes (cassette tapes) and 5¼" floppies. I thank you for the education but as the topic of this thread implies, I still prefer having a Disk.

I think you helped convince me even more that the DD should be a lot cheaper than boxed set with this statement: "Think of it like this: Price of my computer: ~1500 dollars. Price of electricity per year towards running the computer: ~1250 dollars. (Includes taxes.) So since I usually swap out main rig on a two-year interval, total cost of ownership assuming no repairs or MLU's occur: ~4000 dollars." If there were just 4,000 buyers in a year at $60 piece, that's $240,000. More than enough to cover the expences you described, in 1 years time. My point with the military is that other sims currently (or in past few years), cost $50 (or less), and they had no military contract and most sold through retailers in boxed sets. ED sells through DD and has a military contract. Seems DD and contracts are raising the cost. But as you said, we went off topic.

@EtherealN Thank you for this information. It's nice to know that the DD should still be cheaper than the Boxed set, but surprisingly not by much. Does not sound like ED owns there own servers. I would think that after the initial cost for the equiptment, they would save money if the did. The only way I would consider DD is if it were considerably cheaper than the boxed set, but that's just my preference. It's also a shame that their military sales don't help to bring down the costs to the civilian version.:cry:

And that's why I do not expect the full manual in the box, but it would be nice :pilotfly:

Well, I do not drink nor do I thro drinking parties. I have no kids to mess with my collection of disks. I do not lend them out and after installed, I always try to keep them safe in their cases. I also like paper manuals, though I do not expect a 700+ page manual with A-10c warthog. I loved the old manuals that came with Microprose sims. shame they were bought out then closed. Unlike many people, I have no interest or trust in keeping my information or games stored on the internet, like many are trying to do withthis "Cloud" computing now. The only way I will decide to go with a digital download is if the price was a lot cheaper than the Boxed version. After all, what makes the digital copy cost so much compared to the boxed version. They are only selling the code, no box, no CD/DVD, no manual, they do not need to market to retailers. The companies can save a whopping amount of money with digital downloads and yet, I never see that savings getting passed down to the consumer. I have trouble supporting companies that fail to do that. Even this sim is selling for about $60 for the digital download and that's about the same amout or a bit more than I would expect the box set to go for. If the box set ends up being more than $80, I will have to pass on this sim since it will be out of my price range. I can not afford nor do I have an interest in supporting any company that wishes to maximize profit. Personally, I feel that digital copies should be ½ the cost of the box set but I have yet to ever see that happen.

I've heard of cases where people buy digital copies and after about a year the company decides to either not support the title in faver of their next version or the company closes. The customers are left at the mercy of how long the company is able to or willing to allow you to keep playing. With a CD/DVD I can install all I want when I want. Also since I do not favor MP, I do not have to be concerned with looking for other players to play the game either. But I do see you point of view as well.

Amazon will be fine with me, I'm just hoping for sooner than later.

When can I pre-order the boxed US Version and for for much?

Yea, I read that the US DVD will be out in September and the Nevada patch will be out in December, but I can always hope :smilewink:

Why what? Why do I live in the US? Because this is where I was born. Why do I want the US version? Because I live in the US. Why do I want the DVD Box set and not the Digital Download? Because, for over $60, I would like to show something for the money spent than an online receipt. Also, as long as there is a choice being offered, I will make a choice to go with what I want and not just what is offered now. I am willing to wait, I would just like to know for how long. I'll be happy if the US version is released with the latest update and even happier if it comes with the Nevada update (since Nevada is in the US).:thumbup:

Actually, I do live in the US and the DVD is not available here in the US yet. Only the Digital Download and I'm wanting to get the Boxed DVD. Just so you know www.amazon.com does not sell any version here or I would be happy to buy from them. Seems Eagle is saving the US DVD version for last.

Any word as to when the boxed PC version will be released here in the US? I heard it would be sometime September2011.

Thanks again. You have given me some things to think about. Any chance you might know where I could get a list (with pics) of all the Medals in the sim. Just trying to get a head-start on my virtual pilot carreer forms. Just something I like to do with all the vPilots I create.

Thank you for the information and fast reply. I always prefer to have a box and a CD/DVD just in case I need to re-install software without having to worry about having an Internet connection or losing one of my hard drives (and all files on it). In the 32 years I've been using computers, I have had 2 hard drives crash and regretted not having the software backed up or original software disk available to re-install. Also, with fluctuating Internet speed through a wireless router, I'd hate to spend money on a digital download just to lose connection mid process and end up with nothing. I do not have the best of luck sometimes and I do not like proving it :wallbash:

I would like to get this sim but, for $59, I would like to get more than just lines of code on my Hard Drive. I have searched most of the internet and can not find a US boxed set to buy. Is there a boxed US version available? If so, where can I get it and for how much?