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i did a lot of test with low fuel and no weapon on different altitutes maybe other users results and those videos: and confused[/url] my mind because nothing same with my a-10a tests. thank you for your comparision.

f-15 has similar system with su-27 and its called CAS. this controls tree channel which includes pitch,yaw and roll. if this system turn on,computer controls moving surfices and corrects pilots mistakes from dangerous flight conditions. if it is off, it puts aircraft limits away and we can push the aoa limits and we can control aircraft on dangerous conditions. su-27's limiter switchs are similar to cas and this feature allows pilot to perform cobra and other acrobatic manuevers. if these features will not be included on both aircrafts than we wont be able to perform dangerous manuevers because computer wont allow us to do that. and if ed will allow us to use this feature maybe they can do the same to a-10a like they did a-10c. because they announced that both aircrafts afm's are same but this feature(sas) is not included on a-10a which can control (on or off)from us. and forgive for my limited english:)

thank you! now for me it is good to know this feature will be included on upcoming su-27 and f-15 fcs which can be enable and disable from us to perform risky manuevers or push the control limits. my question is: Cant it be the same on a-10a controls like a-10c? a mode botton can be usable to control aircraft without stability agumentation system to fly sensible dangerous conditions. i didnt mean anything includes clickable cockpits . only some modes like salvo etc...

same flight model without flight control sytems means afm? which level afm than? i think you misunderstood! i know the detail difference with dcs level and fc3 level aircrafts but remember old lockon series which has worse detailed than now. there was pughacev cobra button we can control. this is a solution that they can do the same with upcoming su-27 and f-15 projects i dont want 3 channel(pitch ,yaw ,roll) control but a contol button should have to perform these manuevres because it is all about both aircrafts flight stability limits.

than this is limited afm? and these results make me think about not to able to perform cobra maneuver or spins etc... with su-27? and correct me if i am wrong, its all about aoa pitch limiter button wich is part of these kind of system on su-27 and same with f-15 which is part of control agumentation system.

then they could add a button for flight control systems to enable or disable like a-10c. especially systems like sas. because all of them related to afm.

why should i buy? this is about afm and related flight control systems. a-10a is first production of a-10 series. maybe my expectation is different? a-10a entered sevice on 1970s but a-10c entered service on 2005 i think there could be difference, especially aircraft control systems

at first i didnt ask how to recover,i asked how to enter spin continiously i tried everything ,also i support with engines to both directions to enter spin deeper but a-10a correct it self immediately. there is nothing to recover! on videos it is different. can you record a track file with a-10a? because the track with a-10c didnt show me the spin happening.

but why a-10a users cant enter spin like a-10c? a-10c users noticed that both aircrafts dont have same flight Dynamics.

especially i am asking for a-10a and a-10c afm. i coudnt compare them because i have only fc3 addon, thats why i asked to other users who can compare those aircrafts. i found those kind of videos lead me to ask you. on 30 august 2013 update:A-10A: Added Stability Augmentation System (SAS). maybe this feature prevents fc3 a-10a from entering the spin. is it alwasy turned on by default? and the track file which was recorded with a-10c didnt show me spin altough they have same afm with a-10a.

According to my old thread:http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=119863 i would like to know if we use afm or limited afm i noticed that both aircrafts(a-10a and su-25 for now)stability agumentation systems always on and this makes aircrafts very stable on flight. there is no deep stalls ,no spins or dangerous flight conditions. and this situation makes me to ask devs which flight model we have. upcoming su-27 and f-15 have very specific control agumentation systems and i am worried about to able to use that feature?

any news from your comparison?

i couldnt find any specific information about a-10a flight control system on internet. if there is ,than what is the speciality of fc3 a-10a AFM without that? i am worried about upcoming f-15 and su-27 products, both feature specific fcs.

thank you for information yo-yo. those kind of videos confusing because i cant do that with fc3 a-10a. reverse spin:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4aStuolrk also i tried with fc3 su-25 and it couldn't enter spin too. is it normal? weird thing is both aircraft can handle spining very short time despite my force to enter continuous spin. is it like this on real life?

thank for your attention.

the track didnt show spin to me. that is weird. but the main problem dcs a-10c can spin but dcs fc3 a-10a can't ,even they have same AFM.

i hope to get any information from ED team.

according to unanswered questions from ED ,my final toughts we have limited flight model not full AFM which i expect from dcs before i bought fc3. i coudn find su-25 spin tunnel tests but i tested and forced su-25 to enter spin but it doesnt enter spin to recover too. they announced AFM models when they released 1.2.5 version and lot of people bought fc3 because of this. what can we expect from su-27 and f-15 AFM? i trust ED becuse their flight models suitable according to newtonian physic laws and they are best at this issue but now i am not feeling good because this! i wish they'll add full AFM when they release DCS flaming cliffs standalone version.:(

yes they announced like that but why are they different?

aren't they both using the same afm? as i know they are same but if its not i can say im a very sad because of this issue. how many level of flight model is ed using? i only heard SFM and AFM. which is ours?

yes dcs a-10 handles it very very quick and you can control spining both directions which you want and backward spin can be perform but can be a little deeper to recover? on video, it happens a little longer depends on conditions.

at first forgive me your plane dives right ,i wrote left:) i am using the 1.2.7 which has released few days ago. i have only fc3 addon.

i couldnt see spin in your track. your plane is turning left with airbrakes and flying down to landing. thank for trk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUKTBUY1RII according to tests a-10a spins. but in fc3 a-10a,i couldnt spin like this. is there any way to perform it?

problem solved. with 1.2.7 version ,Dcs World no more uses dummy trackir. i unchecked all settings on facetracknoir game protocol,now works fine.