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Bimbac,you are right about everything.Since 1.12,there is no much progres.Even much of what was good in 1.12, in the FC 2 and FC 3 is broken.Hard to understand.

Thats right.You can add complicated and expesive maintance of the F 22,wich "paint job" is not water resistance.So,it is suny day fighter plane.

What is than purpose of airshows?Flying modern fighters is very expensive.Do Americans and Russians are coming to Paris to show new paint job?I dont think so. MiG - F 15.Wrong.US F 15 never fought agains russian MiG 29.Only older downgraded export versions of MiG 29 in poor condition like in Jugoslavija. MiG 31 is able to guide missile of the other MiG 31.

Press 2,than I,and than RALT+I.You missed I.That is for turning on radar.

1) Totaly wrong. 2) Maby,thats why I said it is assumption.

Maby,when we are speaking about F 22.

I'm not sure if I translated correctly, but I will try to give an answer. - F 22 is able to put Su 35 in defesive position in BVR for some time,but Su 35 will put F 22 too. - I do not assume that F 22 has no powerfull ECS like Su 35.I said ALL modern fighters HAVE powerfull ECS,so in that circumstaces I doubt at air-to-air kills at long distances. - At airshow we can see abilities of the planes.Cobra,bell and other manouvers show what forces,angle of atacks and situations planes can take with out lossing control or engine failure.... As I said,stelt design can provide some usable advantages.So if you are world superforce,you must have best weapons.In the war with less well armed countries (USA-Yugoslavia, Russia-Georgia), a stealth aircraft and AESA increase the chances of success in missions. Second thing why Russia and USA develop new planes is export. For the rest of you post - Data link is old thing.MiGs 31 can kreate data link with each other.One fire the missile,but missile is guided by other MiG 31.Su 30 may serv like AWAKS plane and have data link with others. - How much you can close the distance without being detected by the enemy radar,there is no guaratie for that.

Nothing new.You clame whole the time I know I know,and belive me F 22 is the best.You have your opinion,and I respect it.But I ofer results of some exercises,even and video material + supported by statemets of the Airforce of the France and Germany,not Russia.Both countries are friendly with USA. At video,we can see that F 22 cant shake of Rafale from his 6.About BVR agains F 22 and ECM usage,these are my assumptions.And all others can only to assume,becouse thats are Top secret military information.

Nice video.:thumbup: There are confirmed "kills" of F 22 by F 16,flown by US pilot,Eurofighter flown by german pilot,Rafale flown by france pilot.For Mirage 2000 (flown by UAE pilot) kill,many sources clame it was "pilots had some fun". So,fifth generation fighter,need vector thrust,to gain 4th generation jets manuverbility.From what we've seen at airshows,that mean even less chance agains Su 35.Does not act as a good investment. All modern fighters have strong ECM.So,I soppose low probability for long range kill.Thay also can dodge the missile at log ranges.F 22 must come closer to "burn" thry enamy ECM and fire the missile.At that point,pilot can only hope that enemys sensores are enable to detect his radar radiation and has no radar wich can detect and track F22.There is no 100% guarantie for that.If is detected by enemy and have incoming missile,F 22 can only to run and hope that AMRAAM will do the job.If come to close,have 50% chance to survive fight agains 4-th generation jet,and 0% if he meet Su 35. I dont say it is bad plane.I say there is nothing revolutionary about F 22 in air-to air fight.F 22 have some chaces in some circumstances to use his stelth design to avoid to be detected and by some time in critical phase of A-A battle,but nothing 100%.The best evidence for my argument is that even the American army came to the conclusion to cancel the project.If F 22 offers so revolutionary advantage, America would invest the last dollar in the project.

One conclusion you can make,from the video i posted.Dogfight F 22 vs Rafale. Fifth generation,vector thrusted,"best plane on the world",cant shake of from his 6,fourth generation plane.:megalol: On the end,he shot him with guns.Final shame.

For example,F 117 was Stelt technology beliver,until 1999.:)

Thanks for this.This can be seen as a major cultural and democratic progress of the "modern" world,as well as ethics and professionalism. I think you are mixing religion and science.In religion, you believe it or not.In science is differnt.

@ GGTharos. When we talked about how the French Rafale aircraft in exercises defeated F 22, you've argued that the real fight would not have happened that way, because F 22 would have approached unnoticed. What makes you to belive,that other aircrafts sensores,Rafale,Su 35...cant detect F 22 radar radiation,and thair radars cant "see" and track F 22? Why do you belive thay have no "solution" for such kind situation? PS.I know the way of functioning AESA radar

Stelt is not useless.It gives SOME advantage.It reduce size of reflecting surfaces.F 15 and Su 27 have about 12 meters square reflecting surfaces.F 22 desing gives only 0,4.And that is something. In war situations,some and something is better that nothing.Thats why all countries are interested for stelt planes.But stelt technology does not makes planes totaly invisivibe for radars as some people think,and US propaganda want to makes them to belive.Soviet scientist explaned how to detect stelt plane even with older radars,if you know what to looking for.

GG Tharos and some others do not understand.Thay clame F 22 can kill Rafale and other planes,becouse thay can aproach unnoticed.Stelt technology gives him that possibility.So finaly,we are all agree.Stelt does not mean invisivible?Or we need more profs?

Yes :thumbup:.If I use Serbian or Russian,everybody will say thay lie,propaganda.Now,I am presenting to them what "thair" guys say. As pilot of the F 117 said him self ,he is downed by missiles.Missiles are giuded with radar from the ground.So,stelt IS NOT invisivible.Same thing with F 22.

I prefer to believe a true story, but what it says on paper.

Is it invisivible or not.Some more details.

"Stelt technology" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/kosovo032899.htm

Still no documents,no profs for F 22.You have no any prof for what you said abouth F 22 guys?

Jugoslavia had "KUB",and "NEVA".Very old systems.Air force,allmost nothing.Almost the whole the time,there was 100 NATO planes on the Jugoslavian sky.We had no chance.Best thing was to turn off radars,and hide somewere.Even in that circumstances,we shot down one F 16,and F 117.

There is something wrong with F 22,or it is flown by guys from 104-th squadron. http://theaviationist.com/2013/06/19/f-22-shot-down-by-rafale/

So much abouth documents and profs you got for your "conclusions". By,you "experts".:lol:

For you information,video include statements of the US experts who where working on F 117.:D

As I sad,man explaned everything.