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Your welcome. Hank Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

Nonsense, before they were updated to Plus standards they were plain vanilla AV-8B. Only the USMC operates the NA, so liveries are limited to USMC alone. Sure once the PK is out, everyone can make his own livery. But to have all possible liveries, whether real or fictional in one DCS package will be impossible. Hank Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

This package is about the NA, not the vanilla, nor the Plus. A Spanish NA, is non existing, so therefore would be fiction. Hank Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

Only real existing/existed liveries are to be included. Non fictional. Hank

LMAO. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

Who says temporarily? Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

DCS already has an AI KC-135 to be used. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N9005 met Tapatalk

For the record, the - CJ was NOT downgraded. In fact it was operationally upgraded from a pure high altitude interceptor into a multi functional fighter. It retained the original radar the French used, but only discarded the rocket pack. The late '50s and early' 60s cannot be compared to today's standards of customers getting downgraded material due to political issues.

The IIICJ was chosen due it's iconic classic combat reputation unparalleled by later marks let alone aircraft types. (exception being the F-15...also in Israeli hands)

Quite interesting Jojo, especially if you read all of it, one contradicting the other one etc etc. Most funny is the fact that it's a forum of an aviation publisher, where posts are made /replied by folks who hadn't read any of the publisher book/articles and stuff!! Non the less, even though I'm part of it, maybe it's better to get back to the topic. Cheers

Wow jojo...for you being a Frenchman and not knowing French aviation related history?? I'm amazed dude, honestly I am. You say "alleged" French embargo, in other words you say there wasn't an embargo? Wow, so you neither know where the Mirage 5F for service in your French Air Force actually came from?? History lesson number 1.... The Mirage 5 was specifically designed by Dassault for Israel based on their requested requirements. They were all build as the -5J . But...and you better pay attention, due to a FRENCH EMBARGO imposed by De Gaulle after the 6 Day War,never delivered. Instead your French Air Force pressed them unwillingly in service as the -5F. Lesson number 2....Never heard about the Swiss engineer Alfred Frauenknecht? No you apperantly didn't. He was an engineer working for the Sulzer organisation in Switzerland that was building the Atar 9C under license. Frauenknecht provided Israel the blue prints for the engine (as well as for the Mirage IIIS). Lesson number 3.... Beit Shemesh, the IAI engine division , was already started to build some Atar 9C3 components (as part of an offset arrangement for the Mirage 5J contract). Eventually they build their own complete engines, first using some openly imported components from France, eventually building all components themselves! Their first complete engine ran in 1968..... thanks to the provided blue-prints. This is all well known, and well written in aviation related books. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT throwing mud.:music_whistling: Cheers, Hank

Simply put, the 9C engine used AFTER the 1973 conflict (in fact they started the conversation mid 1974) had only seen combat in 1982...when F-15 already had taken over the fighter role. The Israelis did not change to the 9C engine for reliability issues neither for improved performance gains, but simply as they build the 9C engine by themselves (circumventing an French embargo) for the Neshers already. For performance gains they switched to a more powerful engine, the J79 that eventually became the Kfir. But that's a different story. The Shahak IIICJ with the original - 9B engine will be build for DCS. Cheers Hank

You're right about that. One thing that lacks development are sceneries....

Except it's a drawing..... go to page 77 of that same book and you'll learn it had a take-off accident on October the 7th....and wasn't repaired untill the war had ended. In the book "The Israeli AF in the Yom Kippur War (Isradecal Publications)" all events are recorded , and there's a picture of the Shahak 59 being lifted by a crane on October the 7th..... fitted with a -9B engine. The drawing in the Osprey publication is how she looked after the war and refitted with the -9C engine. There's still doubt if there were actually two re-engined, the picture I saw of a 117 Squadron Shahak might have been taken long after the war, as during October they only operated the Shahak. Though the one of 101 Squadron (who operated both the Shahak and Nesher) is correct. Not by purpose but by accident. In the heat of war, time pressured, the crew who did a required engine change on the Shahak, accidentally had fitted a -9C of the Nesher. The crew, puzzled why it didn't match some of the system connections, bented the pipes and stuff to make it fit. Simply as there was no time to correct their mistake. A project existed before the October conflict for changing the Shahak engine with the -9C version as that engine was build under unofficial license by Israel, and already in use with the Nesher. But the Yom Kippur war delayed this project for obvious reasons. Cheers, Hank Bewaren Bewaren

There are only two Shahaks known to have received the 9C engine on sqn maintenance level, Shahak (1)07 and (1)47, mainly because those squadrons had received Neshers as well. Pictures of these two exist, taken during October 1973.

Ridiculous, the IIIC NEVER received the 9C-3 engine during the Yum Kippur war. That engine change came only some years later, during the mid 1970's.

Lol, only France, South Africa and Israel ordered the - IIIC, most customers came after 1967 and the relaxing attitude of France towards mainly Arabic orders (and the embargo of France towards the for Israel specialized designed - 5J)

It's not about the numbers, but about the combat record. If the Israelis hadn't put the Mirage name on the world map, there wouldn't have been interest by other countries to even buy a Mirage.

Not surprising at all, we're building a C model, not the E model (on with the O is based on) .... and the CJ made the name Mirage a legendary dog fighting fighter.

Gents, to remind you all, we'll building the CJ.. AIM-9B equipped. The Israelis even had the radar removed out of most of them as being unreliable and unsuited for pure dogfighting their III's excelled. It's still a question whether DCS will implement Shafir missiles... to early to tell. Hank

That's because you see an early build of the model, without an engine fitted.

The original - 9B will be modeled, as the-9C was an IAI modification, with emphasis on modification only.

They were modified after 1973 with the 09C engine.

The F-8E & - 8J models had an A2G capability, usually Zuni rockets were used as well as Mk80 bombs (82/83&84)

Once the air to ground radar module has been finished and released by dcs, the AV-8b plus will certainly be developed.