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Gman109
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Negative, I’ve been looking everywhere. I think I may return my Rift S in favour of this one, if I can find it.
I may do the same, or keep both, as I really like the Rift S, regardless of how much better the Reverb may be. We'll see when Amazon Canada or the HP Canada store gets stock. HP Canada has the Pro listed for $844 but out of stock. I have until June 24 to return my Rift S to the Microsoft Canada store, so we'll see.
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I have an HP Reverb "loaner" coming today and I'll try to give you some of my impressions in regards to DCS.
It's also my hope to bring it to the Flight Sim Expo this weekend in Orlando.
Thanks
Fantastic. Interested in hearing your impression of it with DCS, and perhaps how it compared to the Rift S/other HMDs that you've used.
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It's been a while since I've used the Occulus system, but now that I'm using the Rift S I'm looking for the best settings, both in the Occulus software settings and in game in DCS.
Can some of you with the Rift S and the 2080ti/9900k/etc type systems sound off and post your settings in terms of DCS options and PD settings, as well as the Rift S settings page in the Occulus software.
Thanks in advance.
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The OP isn't the authority on 4k gaming either, not with that monitor IMO. I've had several 4k gaming monitors, and the only ones that really do gaming justice right now are the 144hz Pred x27 or the Asus PG27UQs.
I've had the Vive, Vive Pro, Odyssey, Odyssey+, and Rift S now. You get something different out of VR, although I do agree that the visuals aren't nearly what you get with a good 1440p or 4k GAMING monitor. If I was playing competitive PvP online, I might prefer an lcd over VR due to the spotting range capability as well as the trackIR advantage so far as being able to rapidly and easily look around behind your aircraft. Single player, I might prefer the immersion that VR gives me. It's very subjective IMO.
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dead as a doornail, not that you could read or order anything from it.
I'm going to take a guess that this is due to them updating it with an English/etc Ecommerce site that features the new Hotas. Just a guess, but a logical one IMO.
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I've you're going to mount your future/new stick in the center and use extensions, IMO get the T50 or the new T50 coming out shortly. While you CAN use extensions with the Warbrd, it wasn't designed for it, and the throw length of the stick can be compromised a bit when you add extensions, while the T50 was designed specifically FOR extension use. I have both, and will tell you from my experience the T50 works much better/easier with extensions than the Warbrd does. IF you were going to use this new stick as a side stick controller, I'd say Warbrd all the way, a Warbrd with a TM Warthog or Cougar stick is fantastic, and probably my favorite hotas setup for jets right now. However since you want it center mounted, go with the current or future T50 and buy the extensions that you want.
I have some VKB Gunfighters right now, but I haven't used extensions with them, so I can't comment on how they work, but there are some YT videos I'll find and edit in the links later about this. I will say that availability wise it's difficult to get any of these sticks, but I've found that getting a Virpil unit is typically faster and simpler than a VKB one in terms of being in stock.
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Thanks WinWing, I'm so in as well. I'll take 2, ASAP.
Sorry if this has been answered, but are the desk mounts adjustable in height? I assume they are, it's just difficult to tell from the pictures.
I love what this Hotas looks like it has to offer. Modularity, and metal construction. As I've posted, I've been waiting for someone in China to create such a monster, as the current "new" hotas makers all have their manufacturing done in China as well. An "in house" hotas like this can have a lot of advantages in terms of time to get parts, create and innovate, etc. Great work WinWing, I can't wait to get my hands on this and wring it out. Very impressed with what I'm seeing.
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Anyone have a link for ShopBit? When I google it I'm not getting anywhere, just page after page of "ShopBOT".
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The nephews and niece are only here on 2 weekends plus part of one week a month, and they were left more than ample $ for their care and education, and the rest of their lives if they want, so that's no issue.
Gunfighter Mk2Rev vs Virpil T50 or Mongoose.
I use both, for different things and for differing reasons. The Virpil units are easily mounted on desk clamps as inexpensive ones have been offered by Virpil for a long time. I do have 1/2 dozen Monster mounts now with corresponding mounting plates for most of the Hotas I want, but that's a recent addition. VKB doesn't offer a mounting solution, you have to purchase one from a company such as Monster, and a single mount is close to $200 CAD delivered here. So, I preferred to use the T50 and Virpil throttle for my DCS desk/pit, as I could have my mouse, keyboard, VR unit, and sticks all backed away from the desk, allowing a bit easier spinning with my swivel chair for VR use checking behind my 3 to 9 line.
The Gunfighter can be made much lighter than either of the Virpil sticks, unless you get some aftermarket springs for them. The spring kit included with the VKB stick allows me to make it even lighter than my CH Fighterstick, which I've used for close to 20 years now for competitive online WW2 play. I prefer to have a desktop stick for this, as I have my forearm resting on the desk surface with the stick base fairly far ahead on the desk, right up to the corner of the monitor. This allows me to spend long hours playing without my arm/hands tiring at all, even in constant combat. So for this type of gaming I prefer the Gunfighter, although I CAN make the Warbrd pretty light, with the Cougar stick on the Warbrd base, it's still sits a fair bit higher than I'd like for long hours of play, but it's still pretty good if you haven't developed muscle memory over the years as I have.
One thing I do think that VKB has over Virpil is the connectors. VKBs are very, very solid, they just feel strong when you click that stick in. Virpil uses the TM system, which leaves much to be desired by comparison. I know why they did this, to make TM sticks easily compatible, and I understand that decision from a business perspective, but most of me wishes they'd made a similar connector to VKB and just provided adapters.
All the stick types between the two companies, the VKB MCG and Kosomina, and the Virpil original T50, the new T50CM2, the WarBrd, and the Delta - it's 5/6 and pick em, they are all made of decent plastic construction, and all offer various things (ie analogue mini stick on some, etc).
The gimbal in the VKB GF Mk2Revb IMO was slightly superior to the original T50. The Warbrd's is simpler than the T50, a slight improvement over it IMO. The new T50 coming out looks fantastic, and will put it on top or at worst tied with the GF in terms of quality, efficient design, and ease of changing things out.
So, the TilDeer/tl;dr is I prefer the GF for WW2 games due to the nature of wanting to play on desktop, and the Virpil sticks/throttle for everything else, especially DCS. Should note that Virpil has a great throttle with an improved model with an alg/mini stick coming out in a month, while VKB has no throttle at all yet.
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Don't make your problems my problems. :D PA is still tracking for June 5th, so don't go jinxing it. I work two blocks from B&H. You should see their store operation. It's something else.
And June 5th is the eve of Normandy, 75th year anniversary. What it must have taken to jump in, or land on the beaches. Especially Omaha and Gold.
A friend of mine from AH3, who is x US Army SF, is jumping in from a DC3 with a whole bunch of other vets, there may even be an original 101st guy jumping in tandem with them (insane at his age, but go him edit- just found out there is TWO original vets jumping in now..wahoo). Incidentally he's the person that introduced me to Virpil when they first started up, he was in the US Army SF unit then operating in their home country, and he met them first hand and got an early T50 from them. I hope to get some vid from that jump, if/when I do I'll post it.
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Gman, if you don't mind me asking, why do you collect so many HOTAS units? For myself, I keep my VKB Gunfighter MCG Pro/CH Pro Throttle/Slaw Vipers at my desk with a CH Fighterstick, Warthog Throttle and TM T16000M in the closet as backups.
Two reasons - first, as I said when I used to run the largest sim site on the net/community circa 99 to 2004 (combatsim.com, 250k registered forum users, 1 mil unique hosts per month, 40 mil hits/month, 15 mil IPO with Snowball right when the dot.com crash happened and killed us..etc etc), I would get every hotas made for free to test/eval. Pulling them apart and tinkering with them just became a hobby. I just enjoyed collecting them all. Now, I have 3 teens we're the legal guardians of now which all love PC gaming, and 2 are into flight sims and flying as much or more than I (niece is student in a flight school bach program right now, and is planning on joining the RCAF to be a pilot shortly too). Thus I need at least 4 hotas setups to keep the arguing to a minimum just to start with.
I also still collect the higher end units still, after spending much of the 2000s in the mid-east working, I retired on medical in 2010, and have had the means to pretty much do as I want so far as collecting/hobbies/etc. I buy at least one of every new thing that catches my eye so far as hotas and PC/Sim gaming.
I also collect pocket knives, and AR15 type rifles and carbines (hundreds of pocket knives, 20+ AR type rifles). I used to own and operate a large range and training facility in the firearms/training industry, and the same applies vis a vis collecting rifles/handguns here. I also worked for Sig Sauer as and adjunct instrcutor with the Sig Sauer Academy, and have a large number of Sig handguns, rifles, and sub/pistol caliber subguns.
So, PC gaming/tech is probably the least expensive hobby I have, and that the missus tolerates well because she's a PC gamer as well.
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This erratic movement affect only stick or throttle too?
Since they are independently units can be due Saitek software.
If throttle are working OK -
, you can keep the throttle for a while and invest in a VPC or VKB base + grip.Gman have describe well their pluses.
Another of of VPC is support Thrustmaster grips, basically by bold the grip and load a appropriated profile in controller firmware.
VKB support too Tm grips, but being a kind of "Apple" require a electronic adapter - to be installed inside grip, plus a proprietary mechanical connector - both available "once a time"... :noexpression:
As I said, I knew I was forgetting a bunch of stuff.
My favorite combo is actually the Cougar stick on the Warbrd base. It's very light with stock gimbal springs/cams, as the stick is heavier than what it's designed primarily for (Virpil plastic sticks). For better or worse, Virpil went with the TM type pin connector for the sticks. You can pull them out a bit on the Virpil sticks to make them easier to connect. The Cougar stick has the pinky switch in a more comfortable place than the Warthog stick for me, which is why I prefer using it. It's nearly as light as a CH stick in this config. When the F16 comes out, I'll be using a modded/upgraded Cougar throttle with the better sensors/etc and USB connector, along with the Cougar Stick on the Warbrd gimbal. Perfect for the Falcon...
VKB you need an adapter to use TM sticks on their bases. The connector is superior and stronger IMO, however it's a PITA to get a hold of the adapters, always back-ordered, I have a single one, that's it. TM sticks work well on the GF base too.
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Extremely subjective subject, but here goes.
I've been collecting HOTAS for 20+ years. When I ran combatsim.com (editor) I used to get them all sent to me for reviews and eval, but even prior to that I'd purchased the majority on my own, and still continue to do so. I have several dozen hotas in my collection, comprising the majority of the "higher end" units offered over the years. Pic below of my primary gaming PC and just a fraction of what I have (these are the ones I have mounting plates for my Virpil and Monster mounts, and regularly use in games I'm currently playing, CH, WH, Cougar, Virpil, and VKB Gunfighters).
I'll do a very brief rundown on my opinion of the current offerings. I don't know much about the lower end stuff like the TM16000 etc, but I do know that it's a great bargain, as I have the TM TWC throttle that comes with one of the TM sets, and it's excellent for the $, better than the stand alone CH throttle for the money IMO.
CH Products - I've been using CH since they had the original "sim" stick with a single button on top and a trigger. I friend I fly with in AH3 that I've known since 2002 worked for CH before moving to a larger gaming company. CH was sold in 2007, and their QC took a bit of a hit, but they've come back a bit from that now IMO. Take apart a circa 2010 or so Fighter stick and a 2007 or earlier one, and the care taken in assembly is evident. Still despite any of this blahblahblah, CH remains excellent, and an old favorite of mine. Until I could replicate the soft feeling of the Fighterstick x/y axis with the VKB Gunfighter on lightest springs/cams, the CH Fighterstick was my "go to" stick for AH3 and any online sim game that required constant rapid movement and combat. For the $ CH 3 unit hotas is still one to be seriously considered for DCS or any sim IMO. One negative is that after 1 year they won't send you parts such as new hats, switches, or sensors/pots, you have to source them elsewhere or just buy a new unit.
Saitek - no, no and more no. I have a couple X65 which have held up mostly due to limited use, but the X55/56,52,45,36, have all had failures of one kind or another in not a ton of time being used. Just my experience, if you're going to spend over $200 USD on an X55 you should save a bit more and buy a complete CH hotas IMO.
Thrustmaster - good availability on the Warthog, price isn't horrible if you get one on sale. Quality is iffy IMO, I have 4 WH and a couple Cougars - all but one WH stick suffered from the "sticktion" issue and required breaking down and cleaning/re greasing, and replacing the ring with an aftermarket one. A pita, due to the poor quality and design of the gimbal, but when it works, it works well enough IMO. The stick itself is great as it's mainly metal, as are most of the buttons on it, which is a rarity. The throttle is alright as well, a few $ and you can upgrade the analogue mini stick and make it much better too. The WH isn't a bad option so long as you know that you may eventually have to take action regarding the sticktion issue. You'll also need pedals, but that's another subject.
VKB - excellent, but no throttle yet. I've had several Gunfighters, the first version along with 2 MK2revBs, and one of the new Kosomina sticks. Good stick, it's quality plastic, the gimbal is great, and with the springs provided you can make it as gentle as the CH sticks or much more firm if you desire. Availability is a pita, price is "you get what you pay for" sort of cost.
Virpil - excellent stick options, as well as throttle. Current throttle is fantastic, no analogue ministick though, but a new unit coming out shortly fixes that (old ones are all sold now IRRC). The T50 is great, it too has a new model coming out with a better and simpler gimbal system. The Warbrd is excellent too, less costly, can sit on your desk or in a desk mount. Multiple stick options, WW2 type sticks, space sim sticks (with an analogue mini stick on it), and Russian fighter type sticks (CM2). Excellent support from Virpil in my experience, and lots of innovation and new things coming from them as well. Cost is again commensurate with the product, also like VKB a "get what you pay for" sort of price.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but for DCS these are the common options right now. IMO with what the OP is currently running, if $ is a consideration find yourself a good CH setup for now. I constantly check all the used sources here in Canada every day, and pick off used like new hotas all the time. Several Cougars and CH setups just in 2019, I got a like new Fighterstick and Throttle for less than $40USD delivered off of kijiji.ca (pics to prove it too). That's my advice for what it's worth. If you have the means, Viripl is my recommendation for a stick/throttle, plus they have pedals coming too you can upgrade to. You can use the "Space" stick which has a twist function for rudders on the Warbrd base for now if you want to go that route too.
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I am not experiencing the main issues as you are Nagilem but I do find the whole WMR to Steam VR experience to be clunky and not up to what is offered by the Oculus dashboard. I currently have seven VR headsets in my pit area but the one I turn to most of the time is the Rift S simply because it has the fewest headaches. For example, I really like some elements of the Pimax 5K but with its essentially beta software, it just is not up to the easy user experience of the Rift S. Out of all the headsets currently released and using DCS, I get the very best results with the Odyssey Plus but that was only after I spent a fair amount of time tinkering with it. For almost every VR experience aside from DCS, I prefer the ease and refinement of the Rift S.
My experience and opinion is very similar. Similar systems in terms of gaming performance for the most part, and I've had similar results with the Rift, Vive, Vive Pro, Odyssey, Odyssey+, Pimax5k, and now the Rift S. I find that the Rift S is pretty much the go to headset for DCS and pretty much every other game/sim right in our home of 4 PC gamers. I'm surprised to be typing this as based on the specs prior to release, I didn't think the Rift S would compete in DCS with the Odyssey+ or Pimax5k (pita HMD IMO). It does, and it's much simpler and more satisfying to use because of it.
I'm eagerly awaiting the Reverb and Index, and I have daily battles with the missus over getting an Xtal to test out. For now though, I'd recommend the Rift S to any DCS or sim player, or any PC gamer for that matter. It's relatively inexpensive for what you get too, I got mine from the Microsoft Store in Canada with the student discount (I take one class distance learning at Stanford CS/AI lab, hahah), for $369 USD after tax and free shipping.
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I got my Rift S Friday, and played DCS and other sims/cockpit games until about an hour ago, with about 5 hours sleep total. Fell into the Rift S hole...
Other than the Xtal, I've run many of the VR HMDs out there. Several Rifts, Vives, Odyssey, Odyssey+s, a Vive Pro, and a Pimax 5k. I was very surprised to find that the Rift S was superior IMO to the Odyssey+. It's just a better experience and the graphics/screen is more clear, period. I tried every combination of PD/settings I've used over the years, and the Rift S in every case IMO was better than the Odyssey+. I find the experience a lot less of a PITA than the Pimax5k has been, and other than FOV, the Rift S is IMO in the running (or better in some cases) than my Pimax experience.
Sniper175 was correct - the Rift S is better than the Odyssey+, something I absolutely did NOT expect.
Odyssey+ both go up for sale on Monday, I'll either pick up another Rift S to fill that gap, or hopefully get a Reverb if they come out in the next week or two.
Rift S is easily worth the $, and for new adopters, right now it isn't even in question IMO that the Rift S is the HMD to buy for DCS/sims.
The sound is a negative, so I'm told - after years of gunfire and explosive entries/etc, my hearing is at best 50% of what it should be, so I'm a poor judge of this.
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Best is probably the Xtal at 5k.
Agreed, but consider the astronomical cost (you can buy a 9900k/2080ti system, the best hotas out there, and a Rift S for less than what the Xtal costs), it's easy to forget about it.
I've had the Rift, Vive, Vive Pro, Odyssey, Odyssey+, Pimax5k, and now the Rift S.
IMO for the $ it's the Rift S. Even without the $ considered, I'd buy the Rift S. The Pimax5k has a great FOV, but so far as the graphics and their presentation, the Rift S IMO is in the running against it, easily. I was also very surprised that the Rift S experience, including graphics, was significantly better than the Odyssey+, of which I still am running 2 until I sell them this week. That's how much I'm liking the Rift S, and I was among those who thought Oculus' specs on the Rift S a few months back made it a joke and mainly for tiddly winks kids games. Not so. Oculus knows what they're doing. The Rift/S have the best VR drivers period, probably the best support in terms of available/easy to set up games, and IMO the best sim experience right now. Until we see the Reverb and the Index, the Rift S is the way to go for DCS or any cockpit sim right now.
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Why is hell in the UK always "bloody"? I heard it was hot, bloody, not so much.
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What's the difference the pro and the non-pro? I cant find anything on google...
The major difference is in the eye padding or whatever. The "Pro" has a leather-ish higher end padding, while the retail/commercial has a cheaper regular thinner type deal.
edit - hah, that's the 2nd time in a week I've posted the same info in the same minute as someone else...
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Great job MD44, my niece is learning the F14 module right now and has found your guide invaluable, I find it very useful as well, well done.
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I haven't run a Rift since the Vive Pro and Odyssey came out (sold all 3 of our Rifts for those). What software do you need to run for the Rift S now, do you still run the Oculus Tray Tool along with the other software? My memory is spotty on this, again, it's been a while.
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I was going to mention that any of you in Canada, the Microsoft Store will give you 10% off the Rift S right now if you're currently a student. (I'm doing distance learning @ Stanford in their AI Lab/CS and didn't use my .edu email, just my Gmail one, and I qualified last year for the Odyssey+ student discount and they accepted my creds still for the Rift S).
Just and FYI for any Canadians that are in school or want to sign up for online/school, that there is a small but helpful discount available for those who qualify. They offer express shipping for 10 dollars too, 1-2 biz days, mine gets here tomorrow and I ordered last night.
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WinWing, thanks for keeping us up to date with your visits, can't wait to see your website once it's finished, and of course the stick and throttle as you move further along.
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If anyone who has or has tried an Odyssey+ gets a Rift S in the next day or two, I'd love to hear your opinions while I wait for mine to show up later this week.
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IMO the only thing an A8 will have in a fight starting from fairly neutral positions vs the current Allied fighters in DCS is to try and use its roll rate to suck the other fighter into a rolling scissors of some type. Using superior roll rate and the ability to rapidly decelerate using this will sometimes give the A8 one good opportunity for a shot. Miss that shot, and then you're very slow in a fighter than turns and accelerates in a much inferior manner - IMO.
Rift S vs Pimax 5k (For owners of both)
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No sense repeating what Augustus has said, I agree. I've only had the Pimax for 6 weeks (5k), and the Rift S since May 25. I've not really used my Pimax since getting the Rift S, and I sold my Odyssey+ (2 of them) in the last couple days, as there is no going back to them for me. The Rift S is the best option until the Reverb is checked out iMO.
The Pimax is also a giant PITA to get set up, the software is finicky, tinkering is a very kind way to put it, hah. Rift S is a snap, and Oculus really know what they're doing in terms of games/drivers/etc. I'll likely keep the one Rift S I have right now, and get a couple Reverbs and sell the Pimax, so long as the Reverbs check out as advertised.