Saltat_cum_mortem

So AIM-7F and AIM-54 are chopped liver. I would understand if you said that American advancement in the field is a moot point but the importance of what was going on at the time is what I was getting at. If we want to talk about adversaries we could discuss the Russian R-40 or, in theory, the R-33. But the point is that the threat was real ever since the 50's. It wasn't brand new as of the 80's. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

First off, the F-4 Phantom was designed with the assumption that it would only engage in BVR combat. In practice it didn't work out that way, but this was the intention. Furthermore, the M2000 first flew (I'm at work right now so I don't have access to my usual sources, but if wiki is correct) after both the F-14 and 15 had been introduced into service, both of which demonstrated far improved BVR capabilities. Whether the French were convinced of the importance of BVR may be a different matter, but they do seem to have made an effort at providing that option. Therefore saying that fox 3 wasn't a serious threat when the M2000 was introduced is a bit questionable. Second, if you are at a disadvantage in a BVR fight and surface to air threats aren't an issue, turning off the radar, getting low to the ground, and getting your head outside the cockpit and on a swivel is probably your best option. Assuming you didn't cut your RWR for mystical reasons known only to yourself, that should give you some level of concealment while also warning you about aircraft running radar in the area. Furthermore RWR should also give you some warning about surface to air threats in the area so that you can steer clear of them. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

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I may be the only one here who didn't play quake, but could you explain "air-quake" anyway? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Please disregard I'm pretty sure what I said was accurate, but I can't seem to track down the source. Sorry Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Thank you for the sources. I don't plan on mission building but I will likely be looking through some of these to get a better idea of what the air campaign looked like during that time. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

And no doubt it would be preferable to the CJ in practice. But, the CJ's connection to names like Giora Epstein theoretically improved its marketing value. None the less, I find the aircraft intriguing, and, should I get it, I'd love to get some pointers from you on flying it. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

There's a difference between what's easy and what's iconic. The CJ made a name for the Mirage III in combat. To my knowledge, the O didn't see much combat at all. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

This is what I've been looking for all of my life. [emoji15]