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@aairon Yes i said, beucause its not the best card this days anymore, but not in terms of that the card is dying or so. That was my point to be clear. Also i said i hope its a performance bug or some (or bad optimization) i am right here too?

My Graphiccard is fine to my knowledge (has no damage or something). The temps are mostly at 60 and never go over 65. I have same frames like it was new 5 years ago with games where i can compare as they didnt have such updates like graphics and so on.. Driver i tried some. So its not ony my end. If any has same system as me and not having this issue then we can talk about my end... Before that its not good optimization for my card or we can blame how bad my card is this days, thats it. Anyway. Sadly no buy for the ka 50 then for me

Pushe hier nochmal. Suche nach wie vor noch ein paar Leute zum gemeinsam fliegen. Vorrangig für PvP orientierte Server: Buddyspike Blue Flag, Cold War 1947 - 1991, WWII Server, Growling Sidewinder etc.

I have try set down the tree/scenery detail and trees visibility and so on to minimum. NO CHANGE perormance. I am no coder but i hope its just a coding issure or some. For sure smoke can be a high graphic thing but this drop is insane. Can understand a drop but like this seems not normal or good optimised to me. Anyway hope ED can do something here or give more option in settings to reduce smoke.

Hi, i am interest to buy the KA 50 this Sale and currently testing with in the 14 Day Free Trial. My Problem is I have huge FPS drop not sure if any can help or this is a bug!? Everytime i shoot this weapon my frames drop under 20 FPS. I dont have this Problem with any other Module. I made a Video how it looks: https://streamable.com/r00v06 My Graphic Settings: https://ibb.co/YD4SwqC My System: I6700k@4ghz + GTX 1060 + 32gb@3200 + SSD 870 EVO 1tb DCS + System SSD with Pagefile Auto I am guessing its my GPU, but hoping this is just performance bug and can be fixed... I heard People from ED asked for LOG/Track Files to have a look what happening so i add them here. Not Sure if Its the right files but the log file was the only wich matched the Date/Time. KA50 FPS Drop.trk dcs.log.old

Did they someting on the flight-model with the last patch? I noticed new sound, but even more it feels much more stiff than before. Dont realy like it to be honest. If it´s closer how it handle in real life it´s fine and i just need get used to it, but any else feels less comfortable and finde it a little weired to fly now?

Is it still Possible to change? I dont find the "CameraViewAngleLimitts". Not in "View.lua" and also not in "SnapViewsDefault.lua" I l ike to change this setting similar with my x52 Pro Throttle Slider Lets say: From 0%-100% Virtual Zoom 50% = "normal zoom" I want: 0% Physical Slider = 20% or 30% Virtual Zoom and 100% Physical Slider = 100% Virtual Zoom. https://postimg.cc/jLfHwW6X/33df61c1 (0% Zoom (100% zoom out) = Physical Slider 0%) https://postimg.cc/R3gK5w9M/352ee94e (~20-30% Zoom) = (this should it look like when 0% Physical Slider Zoom) @HiJackCan you re-uplaoad this?

Darf man fragen wieso? Werde mich nun zwischen dem MCG Pro und dem Ultimate entscheiden.

Kann sein, dass das in der Praxis kein Unterschied macht, bin nur durch den Typen im Video auf die "Problematik" gestoßen. Aber mit dem Klicken klappt das bei mir ganz gut. 1 Klick runter und danach 1 Klick hoch = Ausgangslage fertig. Das mit dem "exakt" lange gedrückt halten stimmt natürlich, aber durch das Klicken bleibt halt ein Feedback und der Rest (die Nano-Millisekunden ist Kleinmalerei) aber kann sein, dass das mit der Achse dann auch einfach Gefühl ist und schon passt. Habe bisher noch nicht per Achse getrimmt und dementsprechend hier noch keine Erfahrungswerte. Naja wie du schon schreibst "winziges Detail" und da braucht man jetzt keine Doktorarbeit draus machen wegen ein paar Millisekunden. Also Realsimulator hatte noch nie gehört, aber habe mir die Sachen mal angeschaut. Die Preise sind mir aber dann doch ein "bisschen" zu hoch! Also für das was ich da brauche komme ich auf 850€ und nicht auf 450€. Oder übersehe ich etwas? z.B. Der F16 Grip = 360€ (die "billige" variante) + Die Basis (FSSB-R3 Lighting) = 450€ + Die "Grundplatte" (FSSB R3 Plate) = 40€: Insgesamt = 850€ Ok die Base ist wohl kompatibel, also könnte ich wohl zu einer "billigeren" Greifen z.B. TM (die soll ja wohl aber "schlechter" sein) Sollte diese mit Virpil Base kompatibel sein: Virpil Base (VPC WarBRD Base) = 190€ + F16 Realsimulator Stick = 360€: Insgesamt = 550€ Das wäre dann schon wieder eine Überlegung Wert. Von Realsimulator habe ich jedoch noch nie gehört, da muss ich mich dann erstmal mit beschäftigen Interessieren würde mich dann vor allem der F16 Stick. Ansonsten steht bei der "teuren" F16 Variante = 650€ The F16SGRH-CE is also manufactured in nylon plastic but it features a handmade finish with 2K painting. This grip includes all extra features for the R3L plus a BLE module that allows its use as standalone device. In this way, you can use it with the R3L or a gimnbal base with sensors or not, just as the F16SGRH-CE includes XYZ sensors or even directly in your hands. (ist hier die Basis und die Platte dabei?) R3L BLE? Danke für den Hinweis. Das bestätigt mich wenn dann eher zum VKB zu greifen statt dem Virpil. Ich dachte der Virpil Alpha ist hauptsächlich aus Metall!? Bestätigt die meißten Quellen. Warthog Base Platz 3 Virpil Base Platz 2 VKB Base Platz 1 Realsimulator - Evtl. vor allen!? Puh... also da muss ich doch nochmal etwas schauen. Bislang sah es so aus als würde ich mich wohl für den VKB Pro entscheiden (vor allem wenn der Virpil ebenfalls aus Plastik besteht) Dann habe ich mich nochmal Intensiver mit dem VKB Pro und Ultimate beschäftigt Die Hauptunterschiede vom Stick selbst sind wohl; Material und die Verarbeitung der Knöpfe und Hebel. Das Material ist beim Ultimate kein Plastik mehr, sondern Aluminium. Die Knöpfe haben nicht so viel "Spiel" (wackeln nicht so und sind "silent" bzw. leise) und die Hebel haben mehr Widerstand. Im allgemeinen könnte man also sagen der Ultimate ist "Robuster". Ich bin am überlegen wie sich das wohl auf die Langlebigkeit auswirkt!? Und ich dann evtl. doch ein bisschen mehr Kohle auf den Tisch legen sollte, wenn ich den auch 10 Jahre nutzen möchte oder so.. Sind natürlich nochmal +130€ und ist weit gedacht, aber kann sich dann vllt. doch auszahlen.. Naja und jetzt kommt noch der Realsimulator ins rennen. Der Virpil ist wohl raus. Auch wenn sicher nicht schlecht und mit 380€ auch der Preiswerteste. Aber da anscheinend auch Plastik dann lieber VKB Pro für 450€ Plastik ist aber auch nicht der ausschlaggebende Grund sofern das keine große Rolle für die Langlebigkeit speilt, sondern eher das Design. Bleibt nur noch die Frage ob: KB Pro (Plastik)=450€ VKB Ultimate (Metall)=580€ Realsimulator F16 = ? (650€ mit Base und Platte?) die "Z" Achse bzw. Ruderachse ist im Stick wohl schon verbaut!? Bei den VKB Preisen sind Basis + Platte + Twist/Ruder "Z" Achse mit inbegriffen. Auf jeden Fall danke auch nochmal an alle anderen die geantwortet haben!

Actualy it´s a german subforum but thx for reply anyway. If i undertand you correct, you suggest me the MCG pro "Ultimate" Edition!? Its nice stick i think but cost +130€ Compared to the MCG Pro. I dont think i will go for that price. Also wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe nutzt du den Warthog lieber als den Virpil Alpha? Und zum Thema Unterschied wie Tang und Nacht... der Virpil ist leichtgängiger!? Also beim Warthog habe ich das Problem, dass dieser keinen Adapter für eine "Z" Achse bietet soweit ich weiß. Daher kommt der für mich nicht in Frage. Des weiteren kommt keine Montage in Frage. Ich möchte gern eine "normale" Base nutzen (Joystick+Schubhebel) und auf den Tisch stellen. Da muss ich dann mal sehen mit der Base, aber hoffe einfach mal es wird nicht "schlimmer" als mit meinem x52 Pro den ich zur Zeit noch nutze. Die Flexibilität wäre für mich denke ich kein Problem. Ich nutze dann eh nur das und werde wohl nicht "aufrüsten" o.ä. Später werde ich mir dann wohl noch den Schubhebel von WinWing holen (F16) sobald dieser auf dem Markt ist. Wichtig ist mir halt dass ich beides (Schubhebel+Joystick) auf den Tisch stellen kann und da gibt es ja für beide Joysticks eine Base. Ob diese dann mit anderen Sachen kompatibel ist oder nicht, spielt für mich eigtl. keine Rolle. Zum Trim Hat: Also für das Signal sielt es sicherlich keine Rolle ob es klickt oder nicht, nur ist es halt ein Feedback was ich bekomme und woran ich mich gewöhnt habe. Wie in dem Video erklärt konnte auch er sich nicht daran gewöhnen, aber gut.. das kann jetzt auch keiner wissen wie das bei mir sein wird. Danke auf jeden Fall soweit für die Antworten. Wie sieht es denn eigtl. mit der Langlebigkeit aus? Der Virpil soll ja aus Metall sein. Der VKB MCG ´Pro aus Plastik und der MCG´Ultimate aus Aluminium soweit ich weiß. (was wohl auch den Preisunterschied ausmacht). Aber das wird ja eigtl. nicht so eine Rolle spielen oder? Hoffe es melden sich noch ein paar die die Sticks haben. Oh @VpR81Hat dein Bruder den VKB Gunfighter MK. III MCG Pro oder Ultimate?

Hallo ich möchte mir ein neuen Joystick zulegen, nur bin ich noch unentschlossen welchen ich mir kaufe. Es wird wohl aber einer von den beiden. VPC Constellation ALPHA-R (Virpil) oder Gunfighter Mk.III ‘Modern Combat Edition’ (VKB) Hat da jemand Erfahrung mit den Dingern? Ich weiß es gibt schon einiges dazu im Internet zu lesen und schlecht soll keiner von den beiden sein, aber ich möchte hier trotzdem nochmal nachfragen und gern ein paar Meinungen einholen. Vom Design und der Tastenanordnung gefällt mir der VKB etwas besser, aber das Mausrad am Virpil könnte auch sehr nützlich sein.. z.B. für Radar-Elevation (diese kann ich bisher mit meinem Möglichkeiten nur in "schritten" justieren und nicht "gleitend" bzw. "gleichmäßig). Das Mausrad beim Virpil ist als Achse verwendbar? Beim VKB bin ich noch leicht am zweifeln wegen dem "Trim-Hat-Switch" Am besten zu erklären mit diesem Video: https://youtu.be/PXtfnMHl6Dg?t=140 Wie hier beschrieben, bin ich es ebenfalls eher gewohnt ein "Click-Feedback" zu bekommen. So kann ich mir auch z.B. einfach merken wie weit ich schon getrimmt habe (3 Klicks, also später wieder 3 Klicks zurück oder so..). Wie ist da der Umgang, wenn man das mit einer Achse macht? Geht das dann nur nach "Gefühl" und ich muss es einfach am verhalten des Fliegers anpassen? Beim Ultimate kann man ja die Hat-Switches bei Bedarf austauschen. Geht das mit dem "Pro/Non Ultimate" auch? Ansonsten würde mich noch die "Leichtigkeit" des Joysticks im Vergleich zum "Thrustmaster Warthog" und/oder "Saitek x52 Pro" interessieren. (spziell im Bereich der Zentralposition) Der Warthog war mir da etwas zu schwergängig, deswegen hatte ich ihn damals zurückgeschickt. Außerdem hat der leider keine "Z" Achse. Gibt es sonst noch was über die Sticks zu wissen? Evtl. was nicht so gut ist? Besonders Interessant wäre es ja eine Meinung von jemanden zu bekommen der sogar beide hat/hatte. danke

Alright ,after some more research and watching reviews on youtube i now i see the difference between the VKB Mk III "normal/pro" and the "ultimate". Still not sure if i could replace a switch on the Mk III "non ultimate" if i get some. Anyway my favorites are now 2 or 3. 2: VPC Constellation ALPHA-R + VPC WarBRD Base (380€) or 3: Gunfighter Mk.III ‘Modern Combat Edition’ + Gunfighter Tabletop + Built in Twist-Adapter (434€) As the VKB (3) is plastic i am not for sure if this could become a little thing here.. For long Life Time. Also what i am not sure is about the "trim hat" https://youtu.be/PXtfnMHl6Dg?t=140 Like in this video explained i am used to have a click feedback for trim. In DCS it is not possible to use in all planes tim as AXIS. Like SU27 or F18C i think also not. But i heard the Hat switch on the VKB can be turned from axis to button, so i could still use it for trim with no axis, but i am not sure how it will goes and if i can get used to it like this guy in the video. How do most people trim with this 2 Sticks? Axis, Buttons? At the moment i just safe in memory how much clicks i trimed. So i can go easy 3 clicks back to normal for example. Could this be a problem with such a hat Axis hat switch? Sry if maybe hard explanation (englisch) but i hope you understand. With this sad i maybe should go for the Virpil (2) but i like the design a little more from the VKB (3). So its still quite 50/50 choice. Also still would like to have some answers to the "easy" stick movements near the center position compared to the "Thrustmaster Warthog"

@MattCri You are right and it has been write down here already few times. This has nothing to do with this clouds (or at least almost). I dont know why people still think its only the clouds. Like someone write already, it is the maybe more the lightning or whatever they "messed up" with 2.7. You can see on the screens the light and shadow is difference and i have same experience with that. (shadows was more "dark/powerfull" !?) Not sure what looks more natural or better (maybe personal preference), but for me it looked actualy better with the shadow on 2.5 (not only on this sceens here, also at me) Anyway, i have pur some settings down and at least i have some decent frames on multiplayer but still not smooth and nice as it was before. Sometimes hard fps drops wich not happened that before, or at least i did not noticed because frames was high enough. So this hard cut/drops are most annoying for me at the moment. Lets hope ED focus and invest some time and money in performance optimisation!

Hello first of all sry if my eng is not all the way correct. So, i am thinking about to buy a new Joystick. I know there are already informations about that in the internet, but i would like to ask myself here to get some help from people who have this sticks already used. First i want to say when i have buy my "x52Pro" i had also orderd the "Thrustmaster Warthog", but i have send it back as it was too "hard" to move for me in the small movements from the center position (it just feel to stiff for me) and i like to have some more "easy" going stick from the center. Are the VKB or Virpil Sticks more "easy" going? (Specially near the center position). I heard the WinWing Super Libra is... So i was think to go for it, but i would like to have maybe 1 more 4 Way switch and there comes the VKP or Virpil in the list. -I would also like to have a "Twist Axis" ("Z" Axis) for the Rudder in the Stick. -Also i like to be able to use it with a Base on the Desktop/Table. So here are the Sticks i am thinking about. The first one is questionable: The Shop-Page says "Not Suitable for Desktop Use", but it also say its compatible with the "VPC WarBRD Base" (Compact Design for Desktop Use). It Seems to have no Twist Axis!? If one or two of this is the case the 1st Stick ("VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip") is a no-go. 1: VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip + VPC WarBRD Base  (360€) ("Twist Axis"? + Desktop/Table usable?) 2: VPC Constellation ALPHA-R + VPC WarBRD Base (380€) 3: Gunfighter Mk.III ‘Modern Combat Edition’ + Gunfighter Tabletop + Built in Twist-Adapter (434€) 4: Gunfighter Mk.III ‘Modern Combat Edition’ Ultimate + Gunfighter Tabletop + Built in Twist-Adapter (524€) I dont see the difference between the Gunfighter Mk.III ‘Modern Combat Edition’ and the Ultimate Edition realy to be honest. But the Ultimate has almost 100€ higher price. From the Pictures i only see difference in color of 2 buttons (black and not grey as in the non ultimate edt.) Otherwise the they add this one the shop page for the ultimate edt.: 24-32 programmable buttons, based on module installed (The non ultimate edt. say only 24 buttons) - but what "module" they mean?) Ministick module (where is this module? cant see on pictures. do i need to buys them seperatly? I cant find on there page such module) Hat switch module (where is this module? cant see on pictures. do i need to buys them seperatly? I cant find on there page such module) Button caps (black color) (this are the buttons on picture who are black now and not grey i guess) Screwdriver Set of grip fasteners 5: FA-18 JOYSTICK WinWing (SUPER LIBRA) + "Z" Axis (380€) The WinWing has no Hand-rest.. on my x52Pro i have one and i like it. How it feels after longer sessions? 6: Titanwolf Vulture Joystick (Twist "Z" Axis ?) (90€) The "cheap" one (maybe to safe money?) - Z Axis unknown. Number 4 is actualy out of the race if there are no realy good valid reason it. 1, 2, 3 or 5 will be the next step i guess. I have read that this are all good sticks, but asking again specialy for the "smooth/easy" movements arround the center for example compared to the "Thrustmaster Warthog" or "Saitek x52 Pro". But any else opinions on this sticks are welcome too. Thx Also are there any knews when the F16 Throttle from WinWing is comming? greets

HI im new to the f16. are there any news to this topic? Is it possible now to add members to the flight on multiplayer now? When i join on a Multiplayer Server with a buddy and he fly F14 and me F16, can i add him as Flight member to see him "blue" on the datalink?

Yes would be better maybe.. i just did not have found it. Maybe some moderator can move this topc there, so i dont have to double post

Since the patch today Wings on the J11-A are not visible anymore for me. Only in F1 view not visible. F2 view is ok. DCS 2.7.0.5118 Open Beta

I asked there already... but thats not the point. And hello i can complain where i want, or ist it a crime or against rules here? Problem would be still Performance on Singleplayer. But i guess now you say then play Singleplayer Stable?.. You serious dont understand the point. What is when this Beta status become Stable? Should i dont upgrade this game anymore or what? You must be joking. What with newer weapon systems for payed Modules (all not possible anymore to get)? Pls think to the end, thx. "Can people having massive FPS drops check if KB5001330 was installed on their PC? If so, try uninstalling it and report here." I did, as i posted (even new Win install) - No change for me.

Because Server like Growling Sidewinder host on Beta. @BIGNEWY again no hardware info from that feedback. If they run high end rig ofc it could be better, specially as it seems ED optimized more the "new" high end hardware Anyway i hope you get it optimized, thx. Still enough have problems. BTW: New clean install win 10 doesnt helped for me, still same like before. Stable= smooth and Beta= -30% Performance So im done. I can´t do anymore, it is in your hand now. 6700k 4.0 ghz, GTX 1060 6gb, 32gb ram 3000mhz The log files in the first page or so with screens, don´t have them anymore after new windows. greets and thx

Actualy i gived up already, but indeed i have installed that "KB5001330" update. Unfortunatly i can not uninstall it, not with any way i found on www.. So i will give it a last try and make a new clean win 10 install. Last chance, but i doubt it will bring anything as i still dont have problems in stable version! But what does the stable version brings me when all full Multplayer PvP servers like Grownling Sidewinders go Beta.... Damn 2.7.. well done ED I will tell tomorrow how it goes with clean windows.......

Alright have done some quick settings tested on nvidia, but again no change. To be honest after all this test´s i have done now (and i did all.. even i was sure it will bring nothing) i am tired of keep trying. From start on i said its probably not on my/our end and i dont see why someelse tests could help. Re-install, settings in game and nvidia, drivers. all done. But indeed its curious that some people get their performance from 2.5.6 back with this nvidia stuff and so on. But i give up. It is ED´s turn now. Btw Clouds difference between low and ultra for me are like 2-5 (on ground start of my test mission clean sweep F-15c) Water also now on low for me wich has bring few fps again like 2-4 (i had middle before) Same for terrain textures 2-3 fps (low compare to ultra) - In 2.5 i had uno differeince on fps beetween low and ultra. So all in all this 3 settings bring me now from the test mission on ground a difference from ~67 fps to ~74 But again i know i repeating. Thats not what it should be go about here, to low all settings now to gain "some" performance back. I can live with some performance lost after "huge" 2.7 update with this effects, but not 30% At least Multplayer was still flyable with drops to 45-50 fps (just quick tests with F-18), but when you fly PvP and want escape low fly it sucks actualy a little. With F15 and S27 it drops more like to 55-57 fps wich is better but i didnt realy had a fight, so it maybe even get lower and then its not playable for me anymore in PvP case. Specialy on non flaming cliff module lie F18 or so. I wonder how would perform the F16? I was actualyon way to buy it, and now there is a sale but iam worried if its actualy even more worse than the F18 in performance? I realy hope ED can optimize again. Even its not commong all 30% back, bring maybe like 20% back, but i think it only a dream!? I feel you!!

@applesinduckIm confused as my eng not the best. So basicly step 1-4 is not relevant on your post as it not helped? DCS unistall and NEW CLEAN install was the fix? Happy it helped for you. I have done it too. No change for me

What is "big" performance increase for you? I have try that too.. and Indeed it bring "few" fps. For me its like 2-4 fps gain this is not big in my eyes. MSAA was already off in 2.5.6 for me! And again, thats not the point here. You have to compare SAME settings as people had before 2.5.7 update. With new effects in a update i can live with a little performance drop. But not like 30% drop with SAME settings. That is the point and should be understandable. So it goes not about to drop all settings now to gain performance again. ED say GTX 1070 for HIGH settings. I know gtx 1060 not as good as 1070 but i think mid settings should be work here. And again. IT HAS WORKED before....

Good that it work maybe for few people. but i dont think thats the problem here or im only unlucky here? I have try nvidia version 390 old driver 416, 436, 455 and 460´s all the same.. max 1 fps difference and nothing to talk about. Not nvidia had changes here things so how you come on nvidia causing problem? I mean ok if you have a smooth running game and you do change on yourself a gpu driver, i see that the gpu driver cause problem but here it was ED who braught a change. All i see is 2.5.6 = smooth, then come DCS update 2.5.7 change = not smooth. No change on my side. So who cause the problem? Also i tryed some other games with the old driver test...nothing changed. With older drivers i had maybe -1 fps or same again nothing to talk about. But ~30% performance lost now way. EDIT: "Do you know which version number the Feb driver is?" February it was only 1 driver i think 461.72. good luck... GeForce Game Ready-Treiber WHQL 461.72 25.2.2021

I also have try out a complete new fresh install. And what to say.. suprise suprise, nothing changed. Also dont worth try to fix with GPU drivers in my eyes, but i also have try it. 0 change. Again i come to result this is not a problem comming from our end. Waiting for ED to fix and optimize.