Terrorban
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Not like we will know how real this team represents the EF to begin with. Only when and if we get our hands on original declassified documents to compare with will we know.
Since we will pretty much not have any real data for long time, I am happy enough we have Actual pilot SME trying to give us the experience which they had already experienced themselves.
A full functional cockpit is also a major plus. For me, simulation is not all about the flight profile but also system employment.
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There have been quite a lot of improvements recently. I personally love all the quality of life things they have added over time. Definitely best to check change log.
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I am curious for Su-30MKK. Would DEKA need permission only from China or Russia as well to develop it in DCS? Would be nice to see this one with multi crew support.
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I understand Big. I will end my arguement here.
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hard facts? Do you mean your presumption on how the Chinese plane should be?
At least I had my data from the manufacturer.
Now show me your hard facts other than your subjective opinion. Showing your that subject opinion is not hard data is NOT an insult. You don't bother me, it is you who could not accept the world being anything other than the ones in your own script.
Once again, don't avoid my question. Show me the hard data to prove to us that the manufacturer pamphlet is wrong. Until then you are just showing us how childish you are. I am actually intrigued, how old are you really?
Give it up mate, you got nothing. Just blabbering at this point. Take some time off the internet. See how the real world works. Come back when you have something intellectual to say. Maybe talk to someone in real life.
Such a childish immature behaviour. Especially on the sub-forum of my favourite jet. Pitiful really.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
lol with nothing to add, and no way to answer my question, you result in copying my phase used against you earlier? Can't even think of an original comeback? How pity
Sure, I will come up with an original comeback when I see an original Chinese aircraft design. Feels bad to see other people copy your work and present it on your face doesn't it? I can tell how upset you are with the amount of laughing emotes you add and come back to edit your posts.
I like Chinese aircrafts. Some Chinese aircrafts. What I do not like is how you try to censor all debates about the legitimacy of their functions. I am open for discussion if you have anything specific to present. So far it is just generic petty insults and biased performance hype.
Nobody is stopping you from sharing the news and hype but when doing it in open public platform, prepare to discuss it because people will bring up the hard facts.
Talk to me about the new Chinese jets and I will be glad to share which ones I like. Present me with a list of old copied jets, and I will share my opinion on them. I frankly care now how much that will bother you.
We here are aircraft enthusiasts and enjoy learning about the aircrafts. I would love to see a jet from China to rival Mirage, F-16 and Hornet. One of my main reason why I said that J-8F does not offer that interesting loadout.
Not sure why I am trying to explain myself here again. You are just here to insult people who do not like even one Chinese jet for their personal taste.
I have followed the JF-17 development and I use it as my main fighter in DCS. I have even defended it and its weapons back in the day.
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:megalol::megalol:hehe, why don't you show me something that is not "manufacturer biased" sales poster?? Beside your claim that J-8F is just modified MiG-21 comment I mean? How do you know the sales post isn't an accurate representation of the plane itself? As far as I remember, the DCS JF-17 is way better than I imaged since I only had the "manufacturer biased pamphlets" on me, which didn't told much.
So why don't you show me something more trust worthy than the official military sale pamphlet? You think the international weapon sale is like how you sell lemonade on your front yard where you can promise people 10% juice while rip off people by only adding 5%? lol
This clearly shows your sinophobic mindset. You just keeps step on the hole you dig yourself. lol :lol::lol:
I have never seen someone being so smug about being so wrong. Living in your own mind I guess. :)
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Ah nice more posters and manufacturer bias little pamphlets. This is exactly why even JF-17 is in a rough spot. If DEKA does make it, I hope it is a realistic jet and not one presented in sales posters.
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:megalol::megalol:
Which part of that was "trolling"? Or did you mean you were trolling?
You hated every Chinese plane, so don't pretend all of sudden you want "to see Chinese made aircraft".
Here are your own words
And ignorantly claim J-8F was just a modified MiG-21
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I appreciate you taking the time to visit my old comments. The original thread where you took my comment out of is full of ancient soviet looking jets. Regarding your second comment, I was talking about J-8 not J-8F. To be honest J-8 series has soviet inspired design all over it.
You are trying too hard to ignore the facts by making excuses and giving out insults. Nobody here has anything against China but this seems to be the main defence you use in your arguements. It is easy to identify your patriotic bias at this point.
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So anyway, while ignoring the obvious troll, J-15 can potentially be ported over as a FC3 Su-33 with different cockpit. DEKA already did something similar with Su-27. I personally would like to see a proper Chinese made aircraft as full fidelity instad of a copied and modified russian jet. Most of those are currently in active service anyway.
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Unlike your ignorant obesevation, I have mentioned many times which aircrafts I like from China. Despite your rants and insults, quite a few of these jet designs are copeid from other countries. That is a fact. But please, keep ranting how different and superior Chinese versions are internally.
Anyone who questions that claim now has sinophobia. What a joke.
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Yet another copycat fighter. Deka please make something that is unique to China. I look forward to your next project.
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It is yet another trainer and I won’t buy it. Like many other trainers, it will not be sold that well if introduced. Especially with lacking long range support capabilities.
Good to know something like this exists though.
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Is it even confirmed that the next jet is a J-8?
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I've heard the same thing.
Cockpits are clearly very much SAAB influenced. JF17B cockpit looks very much like PC-21 cockpit in the link you shared.
Oh wow, They are so similar, it is easy to get confused between the two.
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If they do end up making J-8, I doubt it will be the version that is in service still. Time will tell. I will buy this or any jet which DEKA release to support them but since the development of a module takes so long to complete, I though a jet with bigger hype would make sense. Then again, it seems like people here really like it so maybe it will sell like hot cakes if it offers modern weapons.
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If DEKA really do end up developing it. It will be interesting to see how capable it really is. Long fuselage, short wings and twin engines. It will probably hold up at high speed but I doubt it will be doing any advanced maneuvers. This is definately not a dedicated fighter.
I have no doubt that updated weapons will perform well. Not so sure about the aircraft though. I do not know the reason behind why China still operates them. Were they ever used in any large scale war? I honestly cannot find much about its operational history.
The only interceptor I can think of which looks identical is Su-15, however, J-8F was introduced around the time when Mig-31 and F-14 had already been out for way longer. Those two are iconic jets. They even have dedicated weapons designed for long range engagements. J-8F just looks like a low budget fighter that was modified to perform multirole tasks to keep it relevant still.
I certainly cannot imagine it is even near JF-17 level of overall performance. Especially considering how both are low budget jets. But those are just my opinions based on what has been posted about the jet here and what I could find online. I certainly do not hold enough information or historical knowledge to give out any facts and so far I am not impressed with what it is capable of.
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That's why I was saying that he doesn't know what he was talking about. I doubt he even bothered to read at least the Wikipedia page on the topic.
Felt like he was just venting whatever he feel the J-8 should be like.
Also judging by what he was saying, I don't think he knew that J-8 and J-8II series are 2 distinctive planes.
You are simply trying very hard to find differences. I never discussed anything about its capabilities. It is not a unique looking jet. What does it do that the opposion cannot? Please educate me on what the unique functions of J-8 and J-8II line are which make it stand out from the other jets from same era.
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Who would want a transport?
Also, I don't think there was any patriotic drama.
Why would people call Z-10 a Russian design when they only did $3 million worth of testing work? After taking $3 million, they spend 2 years just to build a wooden model for testing, and all of a sudden that's a Russia design? What are they? Vitamin B6 deficient?
People trying to correct it is not a patriotic drama.
Just give you an idea how little $3 million is, the design project of Apache cost $11 billion. A single Apache's fly away price is $33 million.
I would like to get one properly designed transport airframe. I suppose they wont sell too well. Shame really.
Furthermore, I will buy any helicopter made from China. I have seen some documentaries. They are quite capable machines.
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"Bias"? "Making them seem far greater"?
I wasn't the one who claimed that just because Russian did $3 million worth of testing job on a helicopter, so that helicopter is "Russian designed".
J-8 may have been "inspired" by MiG-21, but it has nothing to do with Su-15. This claim clearly showed that you had no knowledge of the topic that you are commenting on.
When others were talking about J-8F, you jumped in and claim that was designed at the same time as F-15. Clearly, you don't know what you were talking about. You just vomit whatever you feel which fit your presumptive feelings. I don't expect a bigot to research into something that doesn't fit his bigotry presumption. But at least think before you talk.
You hope Deka produces more realistic plane then my exaggerated version? hahahaha
Dude, the JF-17 in DCS is far more powerful than what I originally claimed to be on this forum.
If any, my info were holding back, not exaggeration. If you think about it, it make sense, since all of my info were declassified info that were allowed to be released to the public.
It's not that my info were exaggeration, it was you who has wrong presumption.
Yes, yes. I have read your posts in the past. Most information you provide is from news journals which get proven wrong in the forms. Quite a lot of your posts get deleted because you start attacking people.
This large bloated text is just you sharing your opinion but in rather agressive manner. I have made my statements based on public released information and development history articles since official information or document regarding these machines are either manufactrurer bias with no real data provided or military secret.
If you have any facts instead of flavoured opinions, I will acknowledge them when presented. Currently, I stand by what I have said regarding J-8. The design choice of this airframe is "inspired".
Sure, it has changed quite a bit over time regarding what it contains internally but then again same can be said about many version of Mig-21 which other countries operate.
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heheheh, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Judging by all those comments you made before, I'd say you never actually took any time to research in Chinese planes. So please take some time to research before making comments like "J-8 looks like XXX", planes aren't defined by what they look like. In fact, all planes look the same, they all have 1 to 2 engines and 2 pairs of wings (except for mirage). Humans look like monkeys, so??
If you are too lazy to research on those topics before commenting, at least show some common decency to not show your bigotry towards Chinese.
Apologies for hurting your pride but research screams the design was "inspired" by Mig-21 and Su-15. Of course I did not look for your bias versions of news journal research but the facts are shown in the jet's cockpit design and overall body silhouette.
You are clearly outright defensive when it comes to these "inspired" jets. Making them seem far greater than they really are. Even their combat history is either non existent or mediocre at best.
I hope Deka produces a more realistic and capable jet than your exaggerated representations in this forum.
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J-8 looks like a modified Mig-21 and it does not have interesting loadout options. Also considering it came out around same time as F-15, it will not even be able to compete in DCS.
Hopefully Deka is working on something more unique or interesting.
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All this off topic patriotic drama aside, I would love a large bomber or transport plane for a next module.
A dedicated ground attacker would also be nice.
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Absolutely loving all these details that are not necessarily related to combat but are really good for immersion.
An appreciation thread in 2024...
in JF-17 Thunder
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Definately agree with you there. I play a lot of modules but then always come back to this one as my main. I also use this module as benchmark for quality comparison. The little details, so many failures states and how flight affects the aircraft structure. This thing feels so real. After spending some time in JF, switching to other aircrafts make them feel a bit arcady with their flight characteristics.
Deka really did put all their time and love in this jet and it shows.