Another G940 issues.

Hello.

The problem is that with a sensitivity of 0% the joy works very fine and precise.

But around the center of joy no more than 4 areas where the joy is anchored to the trimmer. The joy will not stay where you trimmer, he goes to the nearest area.

With a sensitivity of 100% joy trimmer works with most positions, and is more accurate, but the helo control is very sharp and abrupt. Smooth curves in BS does not help.

Who has control of FFB? Does the DCS simulator or Logitech? How hard is to find a final solution?

Greetings.

Hi.

If I have a sensitivity of 0%, the physical range of joy coincides with that of BS. Ok.

But with a sensitivity of 0%, the resolution of the point where the anchor trim is reduced drastically. Between the center and end no more than 3 possible positions. The trim is useless.

With a sensitivity of 100% when the physical joy reaches 75% of its range, the joy of BS is at 100%. Lose 25% range in the joy, moreover, the helo is more difficult to govern.

In contrast, with 100% sensitivity, between the middle and the end there are many more positions to anchor the trim. Not enough, but much better.

So what do I do?

Do I give the trim?

Do I lose something as valuable as the range of joy?

Why did nobody report this problem?

What ED?

How do you read the physical position of joy?

Do you read the potentiometer or sensor on each axis?

Or read the engines of joy?

What is the relationship between the physical position of joy, and indicating the potentiometers and sensors?

In my view there should be no relationship. The physical location is a data set in stone, reading potentiometers and sensors, is that the software and the user by adjusting decides.

I endured two years in BS1 with this. You have to fly very thin, but well worth it. It has now changed, the trimmer system, and this is impossible.

I find it incredible that ED can not nail the joy in the exact spot where I trim.

Are the engines of joy, not ignore them?

Why it works perfect on other software?

DCS A-10C is a good example, the trim moves the joy millimeter by millimeter. In BS, why not?

There are great joys in the market, but for many pilots of BS a realistic trim is essential, and it appears that ED ignores a key piece of your simulator.

Greetings.

Where is this sensitivity setting? Logitech or DCS, I am not familiar with it.

DCS has no control over your joystick really. All DCS does is send FFB commands to Direct X. Data is sent from Direct X to the Logitech drivers which send commands to your stick.

Nate

Where is this sensitivity setting? Logitech or DCS, I am not familiar with it.

Nate

Logitech settings.

Are not there other commands?

The driver can not read and write the position of joy?

It is very frustrating.

Greetings.

P1KW.

Hi P1KW,

You really pointing your finger at the wrong guy.

(expect from the "pitch-up" issue that appeared in BS2 - but it's been worked on -I hope)

The Logitec works fine when trimming a fixed wing and you need only movements relative to your current stick position.

But it seems that no one at logitech could imagine that someone wants also to simulate to trim a helicopter.

And you need the absolute position That the motor work in with the potentiometers synchrony.

But on G940-when motor is holding 90% in the X range it doesn't represent 90% in the X axis.

- means that the motors don't work in sync with the potentiometers.

Something that works on the MS-FFB2 fluently.

Maybe it is possible to make a script that helps to translate this to the G940 - but it is not really the job of ED to fix flaws in the software of logitech.

edit:

Tried the G490 for two days as it came out - quickly gave up and returned them.

Hello.

With all due respect, I disagree.

In A-10C trim positions the joy with a precision of millimeters.

In other words, places it in a point x-y.

The difference is that it jumps from value A to value B, passing through intermediate values.

In BS the engine should go to the xy position of a jump, skip value A to value B.

Another detail. While holding down the button trim, engines should relax the joy. But it is not.

Other software has command to relax the joy. (In CoD, if you climb vertically to reach the point where you lose a lot of speed, completely relaxed joy) I guess with any DirectX command.

Why can not use that command ED to relax the joy while pressing the trimmer?

I think ED would be very positive to work on the G940, is a great value added to the simulator.

Greetings.

edit:

Hehe. I took two years in delicate balance, but still I will not surrender. Although I borrowed a MSFFB2 ... I have not yet done.

I do not want to give up is to trim realistically, before changing bird.

Greetings.

With all due to respect, but this what you are describing: Fixed wing versus rotary- is what I described in my post.

About Holding the spring-load while trimming -

I know there was several updates to the G940 sofware- could it be that there is a setting like "constant spring force" that has to be disabled? -just wondering.

Hello.

Another detail. While holding down the button trim, engines should relax the joy. But it is not.

It does but you must have "Enable Centre Spreing in Forcefeeedback Games" in the windows control panel disabled.

Nate

OK- one problem solved!

@ P1KW

To help you to better describe what happens and help us to better understand:

I found this nifty little program in the new BS2 installation :

When I Move the "Constant Force effect" x/y sliders my MS-FFB2 is moving continuously from one position to another - very smooth without stepping.

So I could remote-control the position of my stick.

How does the G940 behave when you do this?

Thanks for your interest, Nate.

Enable this option does not change anything, the engines are pulling the joy While holding the trim button. Does the MS-FFB2, occurs equally?.

Thanks Peter, did not know that application. The G940 responds as expected when you move the sliders.

I'm afraid my only option, assuming ED back to trim 1.02, will be a modification of joy. Spread the joy, to use my settings without losing precision.

Greetings.

Enable this option does not change anything, the engines are pulling the joy While holding the trim button.

That's Strange...

Does the MS-FFB2, occurs equally?.

No - FFB is disabled at the MS-FFB2 when I hold the trimmer down.

Thanks Peter, did not know that application. The G940 responds as expected when you move the sliders.

What means expected - smooth moving without stepping?

I'm afraid my only option, assuming ED back to trim 1.02, will be a modification of joy. Spread the joy, to use my settings without losing precision.

Sorry - can't understand what you want to say -there must be something lost in translation.

Can you discribe this with more creative paraphrasing and related ideas?

I have a g940 also and I didn't know that the spring effect should be less while holding the trimmer. The option Nath mentioned is unticked in my settings and if I fly at low speeds in RoF there is nearly no spring effect.

so long

Mathias

I've never had a problem with the G940 and BS/BS2: in Logi I have Centering spring unchecked and all forces at 70%. In the Logi axis settings everything is at default (sensitivity 50). In DCS, no curves, no changes. The stick will hold all trims perfectly with FD ON. With the AP on, there are situations where I must pull slightly past desired pressure when trimming. Auto Hover holds nicely, even while pushing stick buttons and hats. Honestly, there is nothing about the stick I would change and I think ED have implemented it nicely.

Hi. Sorry for my poor English.

I've never had a problem with the G940 and BS/BS2: in Logi I have Centering spring unchecked and all forces at 70%. In the Logi axis settings everything is at default (sensitivity 50). In DCS, no curves, no changes. The stick will hold all trims perfectly with FD ON. With the AP on, there are situations where I must pull slightly past desired pressure when trimming. Auto Hover holds nicely, even while pushing stick buttons and hats. Honestly, there is nothing about the stick I would change and I think ED have implemented it nicely.

@PeterP

- Yes, by moving the sliders perfect moves without jumps.

- I was referring to the joy moding. I have intention to extend the stick.

@ Nate: I confirm. Enable this option does not change anything in BS1 or BS2.

@ Smokin Hole: Possibly no problems it does not modify the curves in BS.

I understand the problem. Are curves in BS.

By modifying the response of a shaft with springs, you modify the response of the pot, but the dock, being physical, remains unchanged.

In the G940, if modified, the response curve, not only modifies the potentiometer, also changes the physical response of the stick. With a setting of low sensibility you expand the grid where you can anchor the trim, beyond the physical boundaries of the stick.

I will try this weekend, explain it graphically, you see my gogleenglish.

Also need to test with a MS FFB2, I will lend.

Greetings. Thanks for the replies, I deleted the curves in BS and have greatly improved in-flight experience.

In the Logi axis settings everything is at default (sensitivity 50).

Hi.

The value of sensitivity in the Logitech software is smoother than the curves in DCS. But both are the same, modifies the response of the potentiometer.

In the graph you can see how they affect different sensitivities to the physical position of the stick. It occurs in all positions of the stick.

This is not the Logitech software problem, if you alter the sensitivity of the potentiometer with the curves of DCS, is the same.

Stick full forward, trim, hands off the stick. But depending on the sensitivity value of the potentiometer, the stick is not physically in the same place. Why?

The problem? DCS binds physical position and sensitivity. And they are two different things. If I take the stick to an end, I want to stay there, at that point. With any sensitivity value.

It's like a stick with springs user to see, vary the hardness of the spring or the position of his stick, depending on the sensitivity.

DCS should read the pot and place the stick according to the parameters provide from the simulator, not according to the value of the potentiometer. That is the mistake.

While this is not settled, we can not trim a realistic and accurate.

Greetings.