installed 1.12a, now r-27s dont work

[titanium]

This has become a very irritating problem for me, since I have installed 1.12a the r-27r/er refuse to hit any maneuvering targets. The missile at the initial stage of launch will go for the interseption like it usually would, but then when it gets to about 10km to the target, the missile would just staighten out away form the target. The whole time i maintained lock. sometimes the missile will almost reach the target like it normally would but just about 100m away form the target the missile will just completely change direction. after many tests against empty AI fighters only 1 has hit from long range and only acouple have hit from less that 20km. This problem only appeared when I installed 1.12a, with 1.12 it was fine. I have uninstaled and reinstalled with no success. Since 1.12 is not available I am now stuck to playing with the mud movers or going back to 1.11. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Is anyone experiencing a similar problem? please help

[GGTharos]

SARH can now see chaff, unlike before. They're being baited away by chaff.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

its magic, thats all i gotta say, it now reminds me of that f15 video where the pilots are doing drone training and one heater goes awry and changes directions a couple of time but does it in like right angles, crazy moves but leet nonetheless.

[titanium]

After some more testing, its seems it is the chaff. But is this realistic? I know that sarh missile are affected by chaff, but now sarh missiles have become completely useless. They always get spoofed. I did a test in which I was in a su-27 armed with 4 ERs and 2 ETs against an empty f-15. I waited for my radar to burn through the f-15s ecm and lanched first r-27, missed, launched 2nd missed, 3rd, missed again. The 4th launched was 15 km away and it still missed. I finaly had to launch 1 ET for me to get the kill. I think the chaff affectiveness is way over modeled. Also, active missiles seem to be less affected by chaff. Shouldnt active missiles be most vulnerable to chaff?

[GGTharos]

The only combat record which I've ever seen for the R-27 has the hit ratio you pretty much experienced.

 

And no, active missiles are newer, and in both technology and maintenance perspectives they will perform much better.

[titanium]

The only combat record which I've ever seen for the R-27 has the hit ratio you pretty much experienced.

 

And no, active missiles are newer, and in both technology and maintenance perspectives they will perform much better.

 

 

Its not just the r-27s. Now when I fly against an f-15 armed with aim-7s I dont even bother taking evasive maneuvers. I just fly staight towards the target and pump out chaff and the aim-7 misses.

[D-Scythe]

Its not just the r-27s. Now when I fly against an f-15 armed with aim-7s I dont even bother taking evasive maneuvers. I just fly staight towards the target and pump out chaff and the aim-7 misses.

 

To be honest, chaff should be useless against *both* SARH and ARH missiles unless the target is beaming the missile. Unfortunately, this is not modelled, but hopefully it will find its way into LOBS.

[tflash]

The only combat record which I've ever seen for the R-27 has the hit ratio you pretty much experienced.

 

And no, active missiles are newer, and in both technology and maintenance perspectives they will perform much better.

 

You are right, but I do not really agree you could compare this "combat record" to the situation titanium describes, which seems more like a drone missile test to me.

 

In a combat record, much more parameters have an influence on the statistics, anyway on statistics as we statisticians understand them.

 

To give one example, in the early Sparrow times it was common tactics to always launch two sparrows at once. So you would have a 50% max chance from the outset, even if your first already hits.

 

The very bad record of the R-27 family does not mean to me it is a bad missile or an easily decoyed one. It just has the disadvantages of any sahr missile of course. (Anyway, there is way to little record at hand to have real reliable statistics on R-27; on the Sparrow we have those since it was very intensively used)

 

I do not think however it is badly moddelled at all in Lockon now, you can surely get kills with sahrs, but it is more difficult than with active missiles, as should be.

[Pilotasso]

The weapon of choice now is the R-27ET. Too bad clouds arent modeled to spoof them. As they are now, thei're murdurous.