LAV-25 Greater Range Then Vulcans

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

this can't be right, vulcans on excellent begin firing at much shorter distance then LAV-25's but then continue firing once tracking, however I can shoot a vulcan with a S-25L where as a LAV-25 engages and hits me quicker then a vulcan...

 

just doesn't seem right but maybe I am wrong and LAV-25's have better range IRL.

 

bushmaster chain gun max effective range: 3,000 meters

vulcan max effective range: 5,000 meters

 

whats going on here ED?

Edited July 27, 2014 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk

[Isegrim]

vulcan max effective range: 5,000 meters

 

 

This is max. projectile range.

Smaller lightweight rounds loose energy faster than big heavy ones.

 

5000 meters max. effective range of a 20mm gun ...Where did you read this???

[WinterH]

25mm Bushmaster cannons on LAV-25 are quite hard hitting, long ranged guns, and as stated, heavier projectiles tend to retain energy more than lighter ones.

 

Though, Bushmaster's rate of fire is so low, I've never found it to be a big threat in sim. Slightest jinks will usually clear you off from any threat it may pose. So smaller range or not, I'd still say Vulcan is the bigger threat among two.

 

Though, I do think IFVs aim a little too good against aerial threats in game.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

Isegrim I think you disagree just to disagree sometimes, this is MAXIMUM effective range not the typical high chance to hit scenario... vulcan sprays an area and is radar assisted, FYI 30mm on the A-10C and Su-25 are rated for like 3.5km max effective distance but I've also killed things in a hover with ka50 from 4.5-4.8km

 

Vulcans are not a bigger threat at all and that's the point you can kill them before entering their WEZ, where with an LAV-25 with no radar is hitting me at 5km at the maximum possible range for almost all my weapon systems, where vulcans are waiting to spray at 3km with radar assisted aiming and I've already killed it... but if I didn't it has no problems spraying at ranges greater then 3km as i egress... somethings not right here

 

AI on air defenses should be set excellent, tanks and apcs no higher then high (for the reason they are way to accurate shooting at air targets) this is the way I do my missions when I design them because they are anti-air terminators on excellent with only standoff munitions capable of killing em without being hit (and thats not fun nor realistic)

 

and do some tests in a su-25 trying to S-25L a LAV-25, your gonna get shot up, run same test on vulcans and the vulcans can be killed safely.

LAV-25 is an APC not an air defense and its providing better air defense then a dedicated air defense system... cmon now theres no way that is proper at all otherwise they would use LAV-25's as air defense platforms.

I agree that jinking would easily defeat LAV-25 at least long enough to exit the WEZ but you can't jink while guiding a laser guided weapon, however you can kill vulcan without ever needing to jink THATS BROKEN

the Tanks and APCs on excellent (and all other levels) need their ground to air shooting tweaked to better levels.

Edited July 27, 2014 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk

[sgtmike74]

If the LAV25 is engaging at 5000 meters, thats a problem/bug.

[Isegrim]

Isegrim I think you disagree just to disagree sometimes, this is MAXIMUM effective range not the typical high chance to hit scenario.

 

No iam not

 

And this is exactly why i asked where the hell YOU got that from.

That the Maximum effective range (which is actualy the Maximum range the Weapons system is effective, which includes impact power and accuracy)

of the Vulcan gun is 5000 meters??!!!??

 

 

Edit: Think just as an example how big the guns elevation has to be to attack as example a Ground Target at 5000 m.

 

Edit2: Also the 2a42 of the KA-50 uses subcalibre AP ammunition which has almost the same weight like the HE Ammunition but with less diameter and caused by this by far less drag.

Also a Airborne target has an advantage in range in most situations.

Edited July 27, 2014 by Isegrim

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

Im running some tests for engagement range, I'm going by whats occuring in the sim. perhaps its exagerrated and my ranges were wrong...

 

nvm the LAV-25 is firing at 2.2km which seems to make sense, with the vulcan firing a bit later then the 25mm (again makes sense) I guess the only real problem is the accuracy of the Tanks/APCs on excellent.

 

and then during my test i was able to kill the vulcan with max range launch of S-25L and then engaged the LAV-25 with the 2nd S-25L and was able to kill em both on one pass *SIGH* I guess in this case I am just wrong... lol.

Edited July 27, 2014 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk

[Isegrim]

I guess the only real problem is the accuracy of the Tanks/APCs on excellent.

 

Yeah thats correct.

They should fire a burst that miss first and than getting better.

Except the 120/125mm Tank guns .....they are accurate an have a high first hit propability.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

http://www.twitch.tv/land_force/c/4756201

 

result of the test which proves me to be a fool.

[Isegrim]

Now i ask myself what did happen to you to open this thread.

 

;)

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

nothing in particular just practicing and thought the LAV-25's would be easier targets the vulcans but they proved otherwise.