Hardcard Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) I haven't found any thread about this, so here it goes. It seems that the Su25T suffers from the same disease as the Su33. Both planes are unable to fully refuel atm. It seems that they can only be refueled up to 40% of their total fuel capacity... With that reduced amount of fuel these planes can't keep up with their counterparts (F15 and A10), this creates a serious balancing issue. Is this bug known already? Edited August 9, 2014 by Hardcard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Isegrim Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 If its refueled and you check the Payload/refueling page what is written there?!?! 100% The russians always use one and the same fuel gauge system. Its like having a 100 liter fuel gauge for every Car but your Car only has a 50liter fueltank so if your fueltank is full, the gauge will show 50%. Try with external fueltanks and you will se what i mean. Ise "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
Hardcard Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) If its refueled and you check the Payload/refueling page what is written there?!?! 100% The russians always use one and the same fuel gauge system. Its like having a 100 liter fuel gauge for every Car but your Car only has a 50liter fueltank so if your fueltank is full, the gauge will show 50%. Try with external fueltanks and you will se what i mean. Ise I'd believe that if the Su33 didn't have the same exact problem. Before the implementation of the new cockpit, the Su33's fuel gauge worked correctly and the plane admitted effectively 100% of its fuel capacity (it wasn't only that the fuel gauge worked correctly, the plane could stay much longer in the air too). With the new cockpit, the Su33's refueling capacity has been lowered to 60%, so it has lost 40% of its effective range. I know this because I used to fly the Su33 before the introduction of the new cockpit. I mean, I used to fly my Su33 from Novo to Kutaisi without having to refuel, then I'd go back north and land at Sochi...try to do that now, LOL. With the Su25T happens exactly the same. The Su25T's total fuel capacity has been reduced to 40%. The gauge isn't the problem here (for example, the MiG29's fuel gauge doesn't show the correct fuel amount in the plane, but at least you can refuel it to effectively 100% of its REAL fuel capacity, so the plane doesn't actually lose range), the problem is that the Su25T has lost 60% of its range. I don't know what happened here, perhaps this is a typical problem when introducing new cockpits for Russian planes, but this is clearly a bug. The payload menu is showing only what the plane config allows it to show, if you cap the Su25T/Su33 total fuel capacity to 40%, obviously, the payload menu will tell you that the plane is refueled to a 100% (that's a 100% of the 40%, do you understand? It means the plane has been totally loaded to its 40% cap.) PS: I don't think anyone would build a plane using incompatible fuel gauges, let alone a military plane. And even if someone did, they wouldn't reduce the plane's total range to 40% in the process, for no apparent reason. EDIT: Yep, I've been playing around with lua files and it really seems that the Su25T comes with an odd fuel gauge, you were right! This plane already comes with full tanks. Sorry, it really looked like a bug to me. Edited August 9, 2014 by Hardcard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
karambiatos Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Su-33 cockpit is all broken, so the fuel tape doesnt work at all, it acutally has 2 fuel gauges now, and neither of them work. the su-25t, works (unless somethings changed in the most recent patch) A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things
Hardcard Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Su-33 cockpit is all broken, so the fuel tape doesnt work at all, it acutally has 2 fuel gauges now, and neither of them work. the su-25t, works (unless somethings changed in the most recent patch) It definitely doesn't work for me, mate. My Su25T is capped to 40% of its total fuel capacity. I can't fill its fuel tanks, I don't know what the problem is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Axion Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 One of the many reason why we currently do not fly the Su-33 in our squad. Have faith that this will all change with the next major update / fix for DCS. Asus Z390 Code XI, i9-9900K, RAM 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance @ 3200, RTX 2080 TI FE, TIR 5, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, HOTAS WH, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, HTC Vive Pro, Win 10 x64
karambiatos Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 It definitely doesn't work for me, mate. My Su25T is capped to 40% of its total fuel capacity. I can't fill its fuel tanks, I don't know what the problem is. the fuel tape says 9 metric tons, the su-25t cant carry that much fuel, internally One of the many reason why we currently do not fly the Su-33 in our squad. Have faith that this will all change with the next major update / fix for DCS. a moment of silence for the poor neglected su-33 A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things
joey45 Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 a moment of silence for the poor neglected su-33 That's enough, best not over do it.:) The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Dr_Arrow Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 It definitely doesn't work for me, mate. My Su25T is capped to 40% of its total fuel capacity. I can't fill its fuel tanks, I don't know what the problem is. works well in my 1.2.10, fully tanked Su-25T carries internally 3780 Kg of fuel. In the cockpit it shows on the fuel gauge the number 378 and on the scale it is on the number 3.8 out of 10, which is about 38% of the scale as it should be. The fuel gauge scale goes to 10 000 kgs of fuel so if you carry 3780 Kg of fuel it should show about 38% meaning that you have you internal fuel tanks full.
Axion Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 the fuel tape says 9 metric tons, the su-25t cant carry that much fuel, internally a moment of silence for the poor neglected su-33 Nah, tis the poor MiG-29 that I feel sorry for. Asus Z390 Code XI, i9-9900K, RAM 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance @ 3200, RTX 2080 TI FE, TIR 5, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, HOTAS WH, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, HTC Vive Pro, Win 10 x64
Hardcard Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 works well in my 1.2.10, fully tanked Su-25T carries internally 3780 Kg of fuel. In the cockpit it shows on the fuel gauge the number 378 and on the scale it is on the number 3.8 out of 10, which is about 38% of the scale as it should be. The fuel gauge scale goes to 10 000 kgs of fuel so if you carry 3780 Kg of fuel it should show about 38% meaning that you have you internal fuel tanks full. Yep, I guess you are right, the Su25T is really equipped with an odd fuel gauge after all. I've been editing .lua files related to the Su33 and... guess what? I've been able to fill the freaking Su33's tanks up!!!!! Now the fuel gauge indicates a full tank!!!! :D The only problem is that the plane weighs too much, it falls to the water right after taking off from the carrier :doh:. It looks like the Su33 needs twice as much fuel as the Su27 in order to fill its tanks...that's clearly a bug. Both the Su27 and the Su33 carry similar amounts of fuel and their maximum range is about 3000km. There's no reason for the new version of the Su33 to ask for 18800kg of fuel instead of the normal 9400kg. Does anybody know what are the files responsible for telling DCS World how much fuel the Su33 really needs in order to be full? It's not "Su33.lua", this file only allows me to increase or decrease weight specs, it doesn't allow me to tell the game that the Su33 only needs around 9400kg of fuel to fill its tanks... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Hardcard Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 If there is any admin around, this thread can be closed now. The Su25T's fuel gauge is working fine after all, I was mistaken, sorry. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Hardcard Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 One of the many reason why we currently do not fly the Su-33 in our squad. Have faith that this will all change with the next major update / fix for DCS. Hey Axion!!!! I've created a fix that solves the Su-33 fuel issue, check it out!!!! http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2142643#post2142643 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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