Emu Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So I did this little track and the results are pretty amazing. I set an F-15C and MiG-31 off at their maximum altitude and speed about 120km apart heading directly at each other. The results were pretty amazing, using just old SARH R-33s on the MiG-31 and AIM-120Cs on the F-15C. Pilot skill set to 'Excellent'. A MiG-31BM with R-37s could be a real problem for non-stealth aircraft and maybe even lower altitude stealth aircraft if it ever gets an really good AESA radar and they don't have something like Meteor or T-3.MiG-31 vs F-15C.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLA Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 MiG-31BM doesn't and cannot use R-37. Theoretically they are supposed to get R-37M's (better known as RVV-BD) but it hasn't happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Can't watch the track, but keep in mind that missiles in DCS are WIP. The MiG-25 with R-24's is among the most deadly BVR aircraft in the game right now because those missiles have near zero drag for some reason (unless this changed recently). I haven't look at R-33 recently, but they may have similar behavior, while the AIM-120 is under performing. In real life, I can see it being a decent threat. I remember the MiG-25 in Iraq that simply outran US fighters and missile. The 31 has a lot more endurance and better weapons, but has the R-33 (or 37) ever been used against fighters? I also wonder what effect ECM would have on the 31, something in the form of EF-18G's, etc. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emu Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) MiG-31BM doesn't and cannot use R-37. Theoretically they are supposed to get R-37M's (better known as RVV-BD) but it hasn't happened yet. What does use the R-37? Can't watch the track, but keep in mind that missiles in DCS are WIP. The MiG-25 with R-24's is among the most deadly BVR aircraft in the game right now because those missiles have near zero drag for some reason (unless this changed recently). I haven't look at R-33 recently, but they may have similar behavior, while the AIM-120 is under performing. In real life, I can see it being a decent threat. I remember the MiG-25 in Iraq that simply outran US fighters and missile. The 31 has a lot more endurance and better weapons, but has the R-33 (or 37) ever been used against fighters? I also wonder what effect ECM would have on the 31, something in the form of EF-18G's, etc. I'll have to try the R-24. There didn't seem to be one. Did you mean R-40? I actually replaced the F-15C with an F-14A with AIM-54s and that proved more successful. Edited August 14, 2014 by Emu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripenNG Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Obviously the R-33 have better range than the AIM-120B. But DCS AI is just plain and simple stupid and suicidal - so I would not draw any realistic conclusions whats so all from that track. And as Exorcet said, there are a lot of other technical factors DCS is totally missing, regarding air combat. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Snooze-81st-vFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 What does use the R-37? MiG-31M? i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Did you mean R-40? Probably, I must have mixed them up. Have the MiG fly at 40,000 at 700+ knots and those missiles will practically fly forever, even if they're chasing something pulling g's. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emu Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Probably, I must have mixed them up. Have the MiG fly at 40,000 at 700+ knots and those missiles will practically fly forever, even if they're chasing something pulling g's. I'll have to try that. Try an AIM-54 from an F-14 at full whack at 18,000m. Hits about 8,000kph a the end of the burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronzeBuddha Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I thought the izdeliye 610 is the RVV-BD, unless that missile is the R-37M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emu Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 This is a good watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emu Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Can't watch the track, but keep in mind that missiles in DCS are WIP. The MiG-25 with R-24's is among the most deadly BVR aircraft in the game right now because those missiles have near zero drag for some reason (unless this changed recently). I think you actually meant MiG-23s with R-24s, those things are ridiculously fast. Can't be modelled right surely??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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