FW 190 dora Nerfed?

[OutOnTheOP]

As I said originally, I'm genuinely interested in which was the better gyro sight historically and which, I hope, will be/is reflected in DCS.

So "I'm speaking from experience in DCS, not historical information" means nothing in effect, but add, "Good gunnery requires a boresight reference point".

Unless you have a reference to back this up, this again is assumption and more hot air on your part, but hey let's get the rumour out there that the German sight is/was crap. Presumably because it ain't made in the good 'ole U S of A, wasn't used by our boys and wasn't fitted to the P51. (But if had of been it would have been the best sight ever, lol.)

"That alone makes it a superior sight in my eyes", possibly, but still don't make it true though, does it. Some historical evidence please, gentlemen.

 

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Are you seriously telling me to cite sources for an OPINION, or do you take exception to the assertion that the visible glass reflector surface of the K14 was significantly larger than that of the EZ42?

 

And the assertion that a boresight reference is critical to good shooting with a gyro sight should really not need a citation; it's pretty common sense, when you consider the nature of a gyro sight (IE, it doesn't actually KNOW the external forces acting on the target, and having a reference allows to you more accurately pull the pipper along the target's vector, thereby increasing the odds of hits). In my opinion, each of these features is more significant in combat effectiveness than "20% greater accuracy" (20% of what? and is that at equal angles off-center, or at the edge of the field of view in each, in which the K14 would be at a higher-deflection shot?)

 

But you're welcome to disprove that either the K14 had a larger sight window, or that it had a fixed-and-gyro setting while the EZ42 did not. I think each of those factors are more important than slightly higher accuracy claimed in your equally unsourced document (you reference an unsourced, third-hand source, NOT a primary source. They could have been blowing absolute BS, for all we know)

 

Also, point is pretty moot: as I've said all along, it's a bit crap that the DCS Dora even HAS an EZ42; only ~200 EZ42 made it into service in the entire war, and most of those in Me262, NOT in Doras. Probably around 40-50 (*edit* another forum indicated 27-28, but I don't know what primary sources they used to get that) Doras (out of 1800!) ever mounted EZ42. 8,000+ out of 8,136 P-51D had K14s. Take for what it's worth :doh:

Edited September 24, 2014 by OutOnTheOP

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[draken152]

First the fight K-14 vs EZ42 is little bit childish, you cannot compare anything according to one attribute...

From Historic point of view:

I have only two documents from WWII directly comparing K-14 and EZ42. First are daily reports from Tarnewitz (German research centre for gunsights) and that is also source of these ,,20%-30% less accurate of K-14” ( citation in Erich Hofmans book) in original source there is not mentioned any testing procedure (same FW 190 or anything alse ….)

Second is German report from 12.8.1944 describing functionality of captured K-14 and comparing it with in that time existing German gyro gunsights (EZ40, EZ42, EZ44). But this K-14 was not functional so description/comparison is pure technical, part by part, system by system.

Conclusion from these documents (not my conclusion): EZ42 was by Germans more precise but the question is if this level of precision was needed. K-14 was from construction point of view (by Germans) more simply to produce and maintain. Installation of fixed sight on K-14 was reported as confirmation of poor function of gyro sight (that was conclusion of German report).

But another report from commando Tarnewitz about EZ45 from 22.9.1944 say this: ,, For gyro gunsight EZ45 will be used gyro group of English gyro gunsight.” And EZ 45 was planned as successor of EZ42!!!

Is nice to have gunsight with 20%-30% better accuracy than K-14, but when you don't need this level of accuracy and it is 10 time more difficult to produce this gunsight, it don't make any sence(this is my conclusion)…

EZ 42 was primary delivered to anti bombers squads so was primary used on Fw190A, for sure not Me262!!! I have some documents about this also….

 

P.S.

I have approximately 300 pages of original documents about German gunsight development, unfortunately not all already translated so some new informations are on the way….

[Wolf Rider]