searching for 109K4s stationed in Austria during 44-45

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

hey guys!as I and a couple of friends are from Austria, we started to research for 109K4s which were stationed in our country back then to create some paintschemes....it turned out to be a pretty tough search, and its really hard to find something in the web...while there is lots about G6s and also G10s and G14s, especially the K4 seems to be very shy :)

 

so so far, we have found only two paintschemes which were actually found in Graz/Austria in 1945

 

 

and:

 

 

 

as this communty is big, and as i know that there are quite a few among this community with detailed knowledge and also good sources, i thought i would post this here, to get more information about those two paintschemes "Black 12" and "White 1" both from II./KG (J)6(photos i.e.), but also maybe information about other 109K4s and their paintschemes stationed in Austria during the war...

 

we also found a few more, which were very likely stationed in Austria as well, but we are not sure about them yet...

 

 

 

 

thx in advance

Edited November 27, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[JST]

Couldn't find anything.

 

The KG(J) 6 scheme doesn't seem plausible at all. No records of the unit being based in Austria, all pictures and records are from Czechoslovakia.

No reference to the camo pattern and most importanly, no photographs.

 

Also, that site is incredibly liberal or just incorrect with even some of it's photographed schemes as well.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

ah well both skins are available on several sites, and on all of them there is the mention of those two aircraft captured in Graz Austria at the end of the war.

 

we havent found any photographs yet though.

Edited November 27, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[Roadrunner]

well, what have you done so far?

 

i would do the following (maybe you already did):

 

- what geschwader where located in austria at that time?

- did they recieve k-4's?

- search more directly with that information.

 

at least the german wikipedia states that JG51 + 52 where in austria when they were disbanced, cant tell if they ever had K-4's though.

 

maybe of help, maybe not, but fun to search for stuff :)

 

Servus,

RR

[Boris]

ah well both skins are available on several sites, and on all of them there is the mention of those two aircraft captured in Graz Austria at the end of the war.

 

we havent found any photographs yet though.

 

That they were captures there doesn't mean they were stationed there though... Or maybe only briefly.

I can imagine that the pilots fled from the Russians in 45 and flew to Austria so that they could fall into the "friendlier" allied hands.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well, what have you done so far?

 

i would do the following (maybe you already did):

 

- what geschwader where located in austria at that time?

- did they recieve k-4's?

- search more directly with that information.

 

at least the german wikipedia states that JG51 + 52 where in austria when they were disbanced, cant tell if they ever had K-4's though.

 

maybe of help, maybe not, but fun to search for stuff :)

 

Servus,

RR

 

yes, thats exactly our approach...

and yes especially II/JG52 was active as well as III/JG27 in the late days of war in austria...though there were quite many, and most of them stationed only for a few days at certain airfields then moving to the next....most of the squadrons we had a closer look at had K4s....but then again its hard to say which paintscheme was actually used during those narrow time frames in austria...and yeah, its fun and frustrating at the same time to search for such stuff...

[JST]

ah well both skins are available on several sites, and on all of them there is the mention of those two aircraft captured in Graz Austria at the end of the war.

 

we havent found any photographs yet though.

 

I don't regard Asisbiz as a very credible source.

 

So far there's nothing convincing about the scheme.

[Roadrunner]

what about the airfields, are there still some active ones? i.e. hangelar and merzbrück in germany are still there as civilian airdromes, but have quite a lot historical photographs, maybe another idea.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

yeah sure there are active ones!most if not all are still in use. Graz is even international haha...

[Roadrunner]

dont know graz, have only been to salzburg for ca. twohundred times, lol

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

ah its a lovely little "airfield", and luckily cheap to land there even!

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

I don't regard Asisbiz as a very credible source.

 

So far there's nothing convincing about the scheme.

 

well, i dont know about that site too much except that it has lots and lots of content...

 

but as i said, asisbiz was by far not the only site refering to KG6 in austria, and also not the only site with these two skins.there are actual several versions made of those two skins on several sites by several persons.how accurate these are i cant say...

 

but in regards of KG(J)6, everything i found states that they were placed in Graz at the end of the war.even a site about the airport itself iirc.

some sites though say that the transition from a Kampfgeschwader to Jagdgeschwader could not be finished before the end of the war.

 

 

Salzburg is the next airfield which definitely had K4s.there are photographs, but all in black and white and not detailed enough to make skins out of them.

 

its a tough search :)

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

ok a BIG THANKS to Roadrunner! he lead me to this site....on the first glance already it shows a detailed painting of Weiße 5 where i already found photographs earlier...it shows it in both states, pre-captured with german markings and then with allied overpaint....reading its description, it was captured in germany and transported with the allied markings to salzburg.

 

Edited November 27, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[JST]

well, i dont know about that site too much except that it has lots and lots of content...

 

but as i said, asisbiz was by far not the only site refering to KG6 in austria, and also not the only site with these two skins.there are actual several versions made of those two skins on several sites by several persons.how accurate these are i cant say...

 

but in regards of KG(J)6, everything i found states that they were placed in Graz at the end of the war.even a site about the airport itself iirc.

some sites though say that the transition from a Kampfgeschwader to Jagdgeschwader could not be finished before the end of the war.

 

 

Salzburg is the next airfield which definitely had K4s.there are photographs, but all in black and white and not detailed enough to make skins out of them.

 

its a tough search :)

 

Care to share?

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

ok some more reading shows that IIIGruppe of JG27 was definitely placed in austria in 1945 until the very end of the war in Salzburg and some of them also in Saalbach.the whole Gruppe was equipped with K4s during that time...

 

so i think im going to search for JG27skins then belonging to the IIIGruppe.

just like:

 

 

Edited November 28, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed