Nedum Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) The Su27 Flaps working completely different to all other planes in DCS. If I activate the flaps, the Su27 nose went down. If I retire the flaps, the nose wents up. Flaps are there to produce more lift. In DCS they break and reduce the lift. Landings and takeoffs without the flaps are much easier to handle. Another strange thing is, that non of this "nose up/nose down" behavior is noticed from the autoflaps. So if there is a physical explanation, why act the autoflap like in all other planes and only the manual flaps work inverted? Edited December 4, 2014 by Nedum CPU: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D, System-RAM: 64 GB DDR5, GPU: nVidia 4090, Monitor: LG 38" 3840*1600, VR-HMD: Pimax Crystal/Super, OS: Windows 11 Pro, HD: 2*2TB and 1*4 TB (DCS) Samsung M.2 SSD HOTAS Throttle: TM Warthog Throttle with TM F16 Grip, Orion2 Throttle with F15EX II Grip with Finger Lifts HOTAS Sticks: Moza FFB A9 Base with TM F16 Stick, FSSB R3 Base with TM F16 Stick Rudder: WinWing Orion Metal
Corvus Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 The Su27 Flaps working completely different to all other planes in DCS. If I activate the flaps, the Su27 nose went down. If I retire the flaps, the nose wents up. Flaps are there to produce more lift. In DCS they break and reduce the lift. Landings and takeoffs without the flaps are much easier to handle. Another strange thing is, that non of this "nose up/nose down" behavior is noticed from the autoflaps. So if there is a physical explanation, why act the autoflap like in all other planes and only the manual flaps work inverted? Maybe it has something to dowith CoG? My YT channel https://www.youtube.com/user/corvuscorp81
lxvanwyk Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Nose down behavior on activation of flaps is correct (depending on trim and CoG). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
esb77 Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 If the flaps are to the rear of the plane's center of gravity, the additional lift they provide when deployed lifts the rear end of the plane, providing a moment that rotates the nose down. For the automatic flap extension, the flap changes are not always from low deflection to maximum deflection, so the effect may not be as pronounced. The autoflaps also tend to be deployed when the pilot is making stick inputs great enough to compensate for the autoflap's pitch effects, so though the effect is there, you're much less likely to notice it. On landing approach you're in a fairly stable state, and inputs are mostly small and gradual, so it doesn't take much of an effect on plane handling to be noticeable. Callsign "Auger". It could mean to predict the future or a tool for boring large holes. I combine the two by predictably boring large holes in the ground with my plane.
srky Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Also, Nedum: flaps ARE there to produce lift BUT at lower speeds... you can't have that extra lift without drag so- at high speed, flaps act more like an airbrake.
Robin_Hood Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 The main thing I think is that more lift does not necessarily produce a nose-high tendency, which is what seems to be implied by the OP. esb77 explained well why the nose-down behaviour is consistent with flaps placed aft of the center of gravity. 2nd French Fighter Squadron
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