xxJohnxx Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Since when can we not go over Mach 2? 1220kn IAS is well over Mach 3 at 35000ft and I don't know of an aircraft that can go Mach 2 at sea level. I have taken the MiG up to Mach 2.05 a lot of times Yeah, Mach 2.0+ is possible without a problem. Check out my YouTube: xxJohnxx Intel i7 6800k watercooled | ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 | 32 GB RAM | Asus GTX1080 watercooled
Flycat Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 LOL It's my fault, on low altitude it's easy to reach mach speed and I used this to calculate the Mach 2 on much higher altitude. I forget it will decrease with altitude. And on 35,000 ft, the speed of air is 574 kn, I won't put fishbed become foxbat. Thank you to point out my mistake.
Grim_Smiles Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I would eat my hat, if it would be a decent simulation of an F-14... and it would make all other parties really look bad, if this small team would be really able to pull this off in such a short time, where all others struggled for years... No, we will not fly a DCS F-14 in the next 4 years is what I say. I don't know what kind of timeline we're looking at (only LN knows this) and you could be right on the 4 years estimate, but I wouldn't count LN out on producing a good F-14 sim faster than that. Assuming of course if LN:Next even is an F-14. At the moment I know of only one DCS 3rd party that announced a DCS F-14 module, and they have yet to produce any of their other announced modules for DCS. So already LN has left them in the dust when they produced the MiG-21. If Belsimtek is any example, once a third party learns to code in DCS they seem to be able to turn out modules fairly quickly. Not trying to bash that other 3rd party though, not only have they had unfortunate setbacks that have caused them issues, but their primary focus is on FSX and not DCS. "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
xxJohnxx Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 At the moment I know of only one DCS 3rd party that announced a DCS F-14 module, and they have yet to produce any of their other announced modules for DCS. So already LN has left them in the dust when they produced the MiG-21. If Belsimtek is any example, once a third party learns to code in DCS they seem to be able to turn out modules fairly quickly. Not trying to bash that other 3rd party though, not only have they had unfortunate setbacks that have caused them issues, but their primary focus is on FSX and not DCS. We have to be a bit careful though and not draw assumptions too early. Belsimtek is not a 3rd party. While some places might suggest that they are a 3rd party, they are to my current awareness officially an ED Partner, which seems not to be exactly the same (the reason why the MiG-21 was the first 3rd party release. Sauce: click). This might (or might not) mean that Belsimtek has better tools available and that they maybe (or maybe not) have more influence on ED with implementing new stuff necessary for their products, maybe (or maybe not) increasing their development speed over other 3rd parties. Probably a lot to do with legal stuff. We have to be considerate and even if we are all eager to get our hands on new stuff within a reasonable time frame, let's not be too disappointed if it takes longer than we hope to expect. Let's just hope that it doesn't really affect the development of the LNS guys and let's look forward to the new aircraft they hopefully will announce some day. :D Note: This post is not meant to cause any discussion about 3rd party vs. partner. We don't even really know what it exactly means. The message of this post just is that while we can only hope that all the 3rd parties and partners and whoever else is out there working on DCS related stuff can do their work as efficiently as possible, without being hindered by legal stuff, the quick success development rate of one company might not directly relate to the development rate of another company. Just hope for the best though! Check out my YouTube: xxJohnxx Intel i7 6800k watercooled | ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 | 32 GB RAM | Asus GTX1080 watercooled
Grim_Smiles Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 We have to be a bit careful though and not draw assumptions too early. Belsimtek is not a 3rd party. While some places might suggest that they are a 3rd party, they are to my current awareness officially an ED Partner, which seems not to be exactly the same (the reason why the MiG-21 was the first 3rd party release. Sauce: click). This might (or might not) mean that Belsimtek has better tools available and that they maybe (or maybe not) have more influence on ED with implementing new stuff necessary for their products, maybe (or maybe not) increasing their development speed over other 3rd parties. Probably a lot to do with legal stuff. We have to be considerate and even if we are all eager to get our hands on new stuff within a reasonable time frame, let's not be too disappointed if it takes longer than we hope to expect. Let's just hope that it doesn't really affect the development of the LNS guys and let's look forward to the new aircraft they hopefully will announce some day. :D Note: This post is not meant to cause any discussion about 3rd party vs. partner. We don't even really know what it exactly means. The message of this post just is that while we can only hope that all the 3rd parties and partners and whoever else is out there working on DCS related stuff can do their work as efficiently as possible, without being hindered by legal stuff, the quick success development rate of one company might not directly relate to the development rate of another company. Just hope for the best though! You are correct I had forgotten that BST has the distinction of being a partner. Whether this gives BST more tools/support than LN we don't know, not to mention many of their products are in beta release (not a bash on them). So probably poor example for me to compare them to LN's potential future progress. Don't get me wrong - if LN:Next turns out to be an F-14 I'm not expecting it to come out in 2015 (unless Cobra says otherwise, and I doubt he would paint himself into a corner stating it on the forums). I'm going with at least a two year expectation on it. I think that if any 3rd party could produce a quality F-14 sim in less than four years it'd be Leatherneck. "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
Hook47 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 F-22 could be a posibillity, yes! But I have some doubts about the F-35. I mean, hell yeah, day T-20 prepurchase for me in any case, but I think, that LNS probably is not willing to compete here with the two other studios who may or may not produce a F-35 ... F-22? LOL Get real man
King_Hrothgar Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 The monthly update said we would get their next product in 2015. We also know the MiG-23 isn't next (they said it was something they'd like to do but wasn't in development) and there are tons of hints at the F-14 being the next plane. Maybe their next product isn't a plane at all, but it would be a little odd if it isn't one. In any case, 1.5 years is a very reasonable amount to develop an F-14 for DCS. That's actually a little long when you think about it, it's what people doing it part time as a side job would take. Incidentally, LNS is a few guys building stuff for DCS as a part time side job. So it fits. :P
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