Mig-29S FCS in the next Patch 1.2

[Tovan]

In all my source, that it is books and Russian Aviation Web Pages they mentioned that the Mig-29s can fire two missiles at two different targets.(assuming Fire and Forget missile in the same category as the AMRAAM, the R-77)

 

Questions:

 

Will the next patch correct that deficiency to be as real as in the real life?

 

why ED did not intend to programed that in the first release?

 

also will the Mig-29M2 or Mig-35 be considered for a next patch or add-on?

 

thanks

[GGTharos]

In all my source, that it is books and Russian Aviation Web Pages they mentioned that the Mig-29s can fire two missiles at two different targets.(assuming Fire and Forget missile in the same category as the AMRAAM, the R-77)

 

Unfortunately real sources appear to be rather vague on how this is mechanized ... ie. is it a real multi-engagmeent capability of just launch a missile, drop the lock and acquire the next target and launch.

 

Questions:

 

Will the next patch correct that deficiency to be as real as in the real life?

 

why ED did not intend to programed that in the first release?

 

Because no one really knows how it's mechanized in real life.

 

also will the Mig-29M2 or Mig-35 be considered for a next patch or add-on?

 

thanks

 

Very, very unlikely.

[Tovan]

Unfortunately real sources appear to be rather vague on how this is mechanized ... ie. is it a real multi-engagmeent capability of just launch a missile, drop the lock and acquire the next target and launch.

 

Not that much, it look like it's real multi-engagment and not a drop lock and next acquire as i can see.

 

 

 

Because no one really knows how it's mechanized in real life.

A good secret well guarded then.;)

 

 

 

Very, very unlikely.

That's very Sad, they could have make a lot more money if so.

[GGTharos]

How can they simulate something there is no data on?

[Tovan]

How can they simulate something there is no data on?

 

If they don't have the information for that matter(which i doubt very much, since they do have foreign), they could for a start do the same as they did for the F-15 in the game and make after the necessary corrections to suit the airplane.

 

Best Regard.

[GGTharos]

I ... doubt it. There is a lot of unclassified information about the F-15C. There is almost none for the aircraft you mentioned.

[RvETito]

I heard something about detailed MiG-29 in the next ED's title, along with F-16. Not sure which variant they would model, readings varies from SMT to K. I vote for the M/K combo. Though I also doubt that the 1.2 will bring something significantly new in the fighter area, unfortunately...

[britgliderpilot]

I heard something about detailed MiG-29 in the next ED's title, along with F-16. Not sure which variant they would model, readings varies from SMT to K. I vote for the M/K combo. Though I also doubt that the 1.2 will bring something significantly new in the fighter area, unfortunately...

 

The SMT is very, very similar to the K ;)

 

 

Don't expect fighters to get any attention until after Black Shark - you'll only be disppointed when they don't.

[Alfa]

The SMT is very, very similar to the K ;)

 

 

Don't expect fighters to get any attention until after Black Shark - you'll only be disppointed when they don't.

 

Ahem.....Britglider the SMT is very, very different to the K. It is a totally different aircraft - not least in regards to airframe :) .

 

But you are right that the version(9-41) that India has ordered has very similar cockpit environment and WCS to that of the MiG-29SMT-2.

 

However, the reason for this is that the latest SMT-2 upgrade is using the new Zhuk-M radar(earlier SMT version used an upgraded version of the N019 radar), which is an upgraded version of the Zhuk first installed in the MiG-29K(9-31) and MiG-29M(9-15) - while the new versions of the MiG-29K(9-41) and MiG-29M(9-25) will have the Zhuk-M too and additionally feature cockpit instrumentation, including colour LCDs, first realised in the MiG-29SMT.

 

In other words it is a case of the new MiG-29M/MiG-29K and MiG-29SMT versions using a common cockpit environment and WCS suite - but the SMT-2 is still an upgrade package for "baseline" MiG-29 and MiG-29S, while the MiG-29M and MiG-29K are to be considered all new multirole versions with many more refinements and radically re-designed airframes :) .

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[X_Man]

Wow! Does he know his MiGs or does he know his MiGs?

[Cobra360]

Not forgetting the weapons pylons. The MiG-29K (9-31) or (9-41) has 8 while the SMT has 6 but I think it can be fitted with 8 at a customers request. Plus the K has sligher higher rated engines with emergency takeoff power for a very limited time and as a big plus in my eyes, smokeless combusters in the engines. :D

 

The new K (9-41) has an improved jammer that is built into the wingtips and carries more internal fuel that the SMT while still not looking like it has a fat spine. Only down side to the K is it's G limit has been lowered to +8, but this can be over-ridden by the pilot. I really like the look of the MiG-29KUB (9-47) thats based on the M2. It'd be really nice to fly that fully modeled some day.

[Force_Feedback]

I really like the look of the MiG-29KUB (9-47) thats based on the M2. It'd be really nice to fly that fully modeled some day.

 

You have any pics? I've never seen as much as a model of the 29KUB.

[Alfa]

Not forgetting the weapons pylons. The MiG-29K (9-31) or (9-41) has 8 while the SMT has 6 but I think it can be fitted with 8 at a customers request. Plus the K has sligher higher rated engines with emergency takeoff power for a very limited time and as a big plus in my eyes, smokeless combusters in the engines. :D

 

Yes that's right. But I think 2 extra weapons stations on the SMT would require a wing refit as well :) . The smokeless combustion chambers are a feature only of the 9-41 though - the RD-33Ks of the 9-31 did smoke :)

 

The new K (9-41) has an improved jammer that is built into the wingtips..

 

Yes(well the waveguides are built into the wingtips) this was also the case on the 9-31. The rather distinctive bulges can be clearly seen in this photo..

 

Another thing worth mentioning is that the MiG-29K features fly-by-wire flight control system - the 9-31 an analogue quadruplex system like that of the Su-33, while the new 9-41 will have a digital triplex system.

 

..and carries more internal fuel that the SMT while still not looking like it has a fat spine.

 

Yup - because the FOD protection system of the "baseline" MiG-29 was deleted on the MiG-29M/MiG-29K and the removal of the ducts for the auxillary intakes in the LERXes left room for extra fuel instead.....so no need for an ugly hump on the spine :)

 

Only down side to the K is it's G limit has been lowered to +8, but this can be over-ridden by the pilot. I really like the look of the MiG-29KUB (9-47) thats based on the M2. It'd be really nice to fly that fully modeled some day.

 

Yup :)

 

Cheers,

- JJ:

[Alfa]

You have any pics? I've never seen as much as a model of the 29KUB.

 

No but I have a photostatic drawing of the KUB that shows what it will look like - very similar to the MiG-29M2, which isn't much of a surprise considering that the KUB is basically is a navalised version of this :)

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Trident]

This one?

[Alfa]

This one?

 

Very nice! :D

 

No I have never seen that image before - the one I am talking about is an actual drawing. I will see if I can find it and post it here :)

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[RvETito]

Look at the first projection from above- the MiG-29K has totaly new airframe and aerodynamics- larger wing area and wingspan, larger elevator area, "tooth" on the elevator leading edge, larger flaps. Not to mention the strenghtened leanding gear and foldinf wing. Only the vertical stabilizers could be considered identical with the earlier variants.

[Force_Feedback]

Will the 29KUBs be used as a trainer only, or as a command/deep strike version (due to the reduced workload and an extra pair of brains)? Is it going in the same direction as the su-27KUB, or is it a pure trainer with limited real life capabilities?

[Tovan]

Will the 29KUBs be used as a trainer only, or as a command/deep strike version (due to the reduced workload and an extra pair of brains)? Is it going in the same direction as the su-27KUB, or is it a pure trainer with limited real life capabilities?

 

Don't know exactly about the KUB but if i'm refering to the UBT, it will surely be the same except some new modifications of course. The UBT is the same as the SMT having a full combat capability with three screens in the rear glass-cockpit, Updated Avionics, an upgraded WCS, increased fuel capacity in a bulged fuselage spine " à la Mig-29SMT " and a flight refueling capability.

 

It will surely be the same as the SU-27KUB.

[Alfa]

Will the 29KUBs be used as a trainer only, or as a command/deep strike version (due to the reduced workload and an extra pair of brains)? Is it going in the same direction as the su-27KUB, or is it a pure trainer with limited real life capabilities?

 

It is the same concept as the Su-27KUB :) . Except for the tandem cockpit and a resulting slight reduction in internal fuel capacity to make room for it, the MiG-29KUB is identical to the single seater MiG-29K version......and more so than is the case with the SMT vs UBT :) .

 

That is, the SMT-1 is using the N019MP(a2g upgraded N019) radar and the SMT-2 has the new N010M "Zhuk-M". The MiG-29UBT is an upgrade to the MiG-29UB which doesn't have a radar - with the -UBT upgrade it gets a phased array set called "Osa"(made by NIIP) which is small enough to fit into the -UB airframe.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.