gomwolf Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 When we start up Bf109K-4, we have to call ground crew for cranking inertial starter. However, In some interviews or documents I saw no ground crew needed when Bf109G starting up. There is other way to start up without ground crew or no way to start up without ground crew?
mvsgas Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Would the 109G be a different aircraft with different equipment? I bet the K1 to the k3 and all of the sub modes (Rg sub versions) have differences as well. Like F-16A block 10 is different than a F-16 Block 20. Or a P-51A compared to a D etc. What was needed to start the K-4 versions modeled in DCS if compared to the same RL version model? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
gomwolf Posted February 26, 2015 Author Posted February 26, 2015 AFAIK, G(especially, Bf109G-14/AS) and K are not far different. Bf109K has DB605DB or DB605DC engine, better drag care, some a/c got flatterner tab in aileron and rudder both, larger landing gear, and better radio equipment. Actually, Luftwaffe need more aircraft for scramble to intercept bombers. Their situation going worse, so they remove the function to start up without crew. In emergency situation, they cannot be supported by ground crews.(Is this sentence grammartically correct? I am still learning English.)
Schnarre Aggro Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 if i remember correct the removed the batterie/accumulator and the eletricmotor wich drove the flywheel.... to save weight :smartass: considering the old tech of batteries and electricmotors, i can imagine that the weightsave is somewhat between 20-40kg.... just my 2cent :music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts
Siegfried Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 When we start up Bf109K-4, we have to call ground crew for cranking inertial starter. However, In some interviews or documents I saw no ground crew needed when Bf109G starting up. There is other way to start up without ground crew or no way to start up without ground crew? I have maped a key in my HOTAS for crank inertial starter without go to the ground communications. I don't remember where it is, in engine section maybe.
Mar Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Actually, Luftwaffe needed (past tense) more aircraft for scrambling (changed to a verb) to intercept bombers. Their situation was getting (past tense) worse, so they removed (past tense) the function to start up without crew. In an emergency situation, they could not (past tense) be supported by ground crews.(Is this sentence grammatically (spelling correction) correct? I am still learning English.) I made some corrections in red, I hope that helps you.:) From the shadows of war's past a demon of the air rises from the grave. "Onward to the land of kings—via the sky of aces!"
DieHard Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I have maped a key in my HOTAS for crank inertial starter without go to the ground communications. I don't remember where it is, in engine section maybe. Thanks for the tip. "Signal Starter Crew" listed under All and also under Engine Controls [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Great find! Thank you ! Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
Kurfürst Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 109s only had the inertia starter, there was an option for the 605s to use an electric starter motor, but 109s did not have it. It could be a weight or space issue - maybe the cowl MGs and their ammunition boxes got in the way? http://www.kurfurst.org - The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Performance Resource Site Vezérünk a bátorság, Kísérőnk a szerencse! -Motto of the RHAF 101st 'Puma' Home Air Defense Fighter Regiment The Answer to the Ultimate Question of the K-4, the Universe, and Everything: Powerloading 550 HP / ton, 1593 having been made up to 31th March 1945, 314 K-4s were being operated in frontline service on 31 January 1945.
Crumpp Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 considering the old tech of batteries and electricmotors, i can imagine that the weightsave is somewhat between 20-40kg.... just my 2cent A lot less that that. In FW-190A series, the inertial starter is combined into a single unit with the electric generator. Inserting the hand crank for the inertial starter withdraws the brushes from the electric motor. It maybe more of cowling space issue than weight in the Bf-109 series. Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
IIIJG52_Otto_ Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) ;2329417']if i remember correct the removed the batterie/accumulator and the eletricmotor wich drove the flywheel.... to save weight :smartass: considering the old tech of batteries and electricmotors, i can imagine that the weightsave is somewhat between 20-40kg.... just my 2cent :music_whistling: I started a thread on this topic, months ago http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=135139 The electric starter-motor was small, only was used to spinning the inertia flywheel. The weight saving was not important. (see pictures in the thread linked) and.... the battery was not be removed, it is necessary for running electric pumps, radio and other avionics equipment. Edited March 14, 2015 by III/JG52_Otto_+ http://www.jagdgeschwader52.net
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