Can't shoot down cruise missiles with cannon.

[Capn kamikaze]

I built an F-15C mission to intercept a Tu-160 and a pair of Su-27's, and built it so that it just launches its missiles at two airbases just as you make the intercept and are dealing with the Su's, which can lead to giving it enough time to make an escape, you can choose to chase it down or try to go low level and shoot down as many cruise missiles as possible before they hit, but not both.

 

I can pick the missiles up on radar at low level if I get close enough, and I can destroy some of them with my remaining missiles, but if you decide to use guns then the shells just don't do anything to them, you can be scoring what would be perfect shots, but no boom, so they're bullet proof but not Slammer proof???

 

To add insult to injury, I set up some air defenses to test this, a mix of AAA and SAMs at each target, a Linebacker and an Avenger at one airbase, and a Linebacker and a Patriot site at the other and not one of them even tried to engage the missiles when they came in range, I can accept that they could try and fail, but to just not even blink as a half dozen KH-65's fly nearly directly overhead with nice clear horizons, so they would have been detected, that's not right...

 

One of the main specifications of the Patriot system is cruise missile defense, and modern AAA systems are also capable of point defense, so what gives?

Edited May 9, 2015 by Cap'n kamikaze

[FoxHoundELite]

I built an F-15C mission to intercept a Tu-160 and a pair of Su-27's, and built it so that it just launches its missiles at two airbases just as you make the intercept and are dealing with the Su's, which can lead to giving it enough time to make an escape, you can choose to chase it down or try to go low level and shoot down as many cruise missiles as possible before they hit, but not both.

 

I can pick the missiles up on radar at low level if I get close enough, and I can destroy some of them with my remaining missiles, but if you decide to use guns then the shells just don't do anything to them, you can be scoring what would be perfect shots, but no boom, so they're bullet proof but not Slammer proof???

 

To add insult to injury, I set up some air defenses to test this, a mix of AAA and SAMs at each target, a Linebacker and an Avenger at one airbase, and a Linebacker and a Patriot site at the other and not one of them even tried to engage the missiles when they came in range, I can accept that they could try and fail, but to just not even blink as a half dozen KH-65's fly nearly directly overhead with nice clear horizons, so they would have been detected, that's not right...

 

One of the main specifications of the Patriot system is cruise missile defense, and modern AAA systems are also capable of point defense, so what gives?

 

sound like an ordinary scene from Ace Combat's series :D.Can you make a clip about that mission when you successfully did it?

[Capn kamikaze]

Will do, next time I fly it, I'll save the replay and get it up on youtube, it's a fun one, but a bit frustrating.

[whitehot]

about avengers and linebackers, I highly doubt they could intercept the cruise missiles - they fly too low and fast, and these systems wouldn't simply have the time to perform an engagement routine up to missile launch.

 

Patriots should be capable of engaging them, although they too would have difficulties if operating on their own.

If the patriots would instead operate as part of an integrated AD network, with at least one awacs in it, they should have a fair probability of success.

Yet, I don't know if in DCS we have such degree of accuracy in this particular situation: the sam battery needs to be alerted by the awacs, or by whoever has sensors tracking the cruise missiles. The patriots would need targeting data passed to them, as their own acquisition radar would be having to deal with targets too low on (or even under) the horizon.

Having the targets params though, would make the patriots scan the exact mile of sky where the missiles would appear once they are inside the radar horizon. They would "lock em up" fairly quickly and be able to take at least one, maybe multiple shots at the "vampires", enhancing the pK vastly

[Capn kamikaze]

I do have AWACs support in the mission, forgot to mention that.

 

Even if the SAM's and AAA couldn't engage, there is clearly something wrong with the sim WRT to them being bullet proof.

[FoxHoundELite]

Will do' date=' next time I fly it, I'll save the replay and get it up on youtube, it's a fun one, but a bit frustrating.[/quote']

 

that's very nice of ya :D

[Capn kamikaze]

Now I've tried something else, commanding my wingman to engage my target (a Kh-65) and he refuses.

 

This is looking more and more like an AI issue, if I can lock it up, then there is no reason a wingman flying another F-15 can't also lock it up and engage it.