Maico249th Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 My Fellow Pilots, Unless you never read anything about the 109 you know this is one tough bird to handle on the ground as well as takeoff and landing. Takeoffs are more than a challenge. I have been in flight sims for 15 years and I must confess that my buttocks has been kicked by the 109 and 190. What a shock. However, I decided to grit my teeth and tough it out. After a week (Last week don't count;)) of flips, spins and frustration I have finally got a grip on this animal. I viewed a few online videos too. Some were good and some I did not agree with. All I can say is you really got to get a feel of her and do what works for you. In the last few days I found a slow steady takeoff with flaps(I know, the horror!) is what gets my messer going. Raising the seat helped a lot. A gentle landing and I do mean gentle and slow but , DONT STALL. That is what gets me back down. Anyway, I am here to encourage those who are struggling. Believe in yourself and give it a chance. This has really been worth it! Good Day All Maico
imdcrazy1 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Yep, after experiencing TF-51 and its smooth takeoff the BF109 can really scare you off with its extreme tendency to roll and pitch up::joystick:. Also many people forget about the prop governor switch. But its a small challenge, and after a couple of tries you will have a smooth, near perfect takeoff. Fun plane, just needs practice :thumbup:
SlipBall Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) This aircraft does best on a round grass field as seen during the war. Going down a strait line on a concrete runway can be challenging and dangerous and not much fun IMO but having plenty of wiggle room as seen here on the grass, may save a life and the aircraft...we need a WW II map !! :) Edited June 13, 2015 by GT 5.0
Random Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Great feeling when you do it perfectly... Awful feeling when you realise you HAVEN'T mastered it yet when the next flight involves yet another fishtailing takeoff and a snapped wing on landing. I need more practice!
Ala13_ManOWar Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Great feeling when you do it perfectly... Awful feeling when you realise you HAVEN'T mastered it yet when the next flight involves yet another fishtailing takeoff and a snapped wing on landing. I need more practice!Even when you master it tail draggers can be tricky and make your day when everything was apparently perfect :smilewink: . You'll have to be watching carefully with this birds the rest of your life. That's why I like it :thumbup:. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Roadrunner Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 nice feeling to master it, indeed. but i highly recomment to change weather every time you fire up a mission to get used to different behaviour on take off ;) regards, RR [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "There's nothing to be gained by second guessing yourself. You can't remake the past, so look ahead... or risk being left behind." Noli Timere Messorem "No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always been there first, and is waiting for it." Terry Pratchett
marcus4hire Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 The 109 requires TONS of touch. It is a very 'touchy' aircraft. The tiniest of variables can make takeoffs and landings very different from one another. As an aside, while the buildings aren't period correct, the maps is sort of a WWII map, for the 109 anyway. JG 52 flew all around the area during the war. Been reading some pilot accounts and they name all sorts of towns and airfields they were based. Many are on the map.
Maico249th Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 nice feeling to master it, indeed. but i highly recomment to change weather every time you fire up a mission to get used to different behaviour on take off ;) regards, RR Damn you!!! Noooo lol. This is only fair weather fighter. Just kidding. Good advice. Reminds me of when I was learning IL2. I thought I had it down. Then someone asked. "Have you tried landing on the carrier?" I am turning up the weather! Thanks!
Maico249th Posted June 18, 2015 Author Posted June 18, 2015 A side benefit from this training came to light last night. Flying Bos 190 and 109 is much easier now. I could not get off the ground or land a few weeks ago. Now, the are not easy but easier than DCS.
NeilWillis Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 There is definitely a sense of achievement associated with the German tail draggers. They're a handful, but at least we get to try again when we screw up. Can you imagine what it was like for the raw recruits that were sent up for the first time in the latter years of WW2? I wonder how difficult the Spitfires will be when they are released?
Ala13_ManOWar Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I wonder how difficult the Spitfires will be when they are released?I lot for sure... :beer: S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Nirvi Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 There is definitely a sense of achievement associated with the German tail draggers. They're a handful, but at least we get to try again when we screw up. Can you imagine what it was like for the raw recruits that were sent up for the first time in the latter years of WW2? I wonder how difficult the Spitfires will be when they are released? You'll need silk hands... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1901612&postcount=1 Serious uglies Discord 4YA - Project Overlord WW2 Server My DCS Videos
SlipBall Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) The 109 requires TONS of touch. It is a very 'touchy' aircraft. The tiniest of variables can make takeoffs and landings very different from one another. As an aside, while the buildings aren't period correct, the maps is sort of a WWII map, for the 109 anyway. JG 52 flew all around the area during the war. Been reading some pilot accounts and they name all sorts of towns and airfields they were based. Many are on the map. No I think you need to be consistent as though your life depended on it, the pilot and weather are the only variable...and a big no on the map is ok, this map is not even close with all those nuclear power plants lol, and yes we do need a WW II map, how else would we have a grass field/base to land/takeoff? :)...you could not save the aircraft on concrete as I did here with the busted gear on the grass Edited June 18, 2015 by GT 5.0
aus3620 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 bf109 take-off Agree with the OP. Spent an evening with a friend laughing at each other's feeble attempts to take-off! With a little persistence, and reading the manual, we finally cracked it. The key for me was to not exceed 1.35 ata on the roll and find the magic starting spot with the stick (to the rear right - not all the way, maybe 20% from full right and 20% from full rear).
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