Civil Aviation Wish List

[Sukhoi25]

Cessna L-19 or O-1 Bird Dog :D

You? What did you have in mind?

Edited July 9, 2015 by Sukhoi25

[PiedDroit]

Cessna L-19 & O-1 Bird Dog :D

You? What did you have in mind?

Well, I'm not the best advocate here :music_whistling:

I would personally prefer an anti-guerilla type aircraft (e.g. Super Tucano) rather than a trainer or observation aircraft.

I think this kind of aircraft needs a really good campaign to attract me, because at some point if I have to fly in circles I'd rather have some ordnance strapped to the wings to break the boredom.

 

If you feel there is enough people interested you should definitely go ahead, this is a great project:thumbup:

[Sukhoi25]

Better! It's right! A Super Tucano would be a great idea! Just to do the A-29 and NOT the AT-29 because DCS doesn't have twoseater option. :D thank you! Any other suggests?

[MummRahh]

A-29 Super Tucano would be, definitely, a module i would buy.

[Sukhoi25]

Ok. :D So i need to quickly refresh my blender and 3DS Max notions...mmhhh

[PiedDroit]

Other than Super Tucano, OV-10A Bronco (most produced).

Or PA-48 but never saw service so it's less appealing.

 

But of course that's only me, if an overwhelming majority wants an O-1 and if you're keen on doing it you should go for it ;)

 

The Super Tucano has a two seater variant (A-29B) but you can still implement as single seater (A-29A).

And the two seaters are coming soon also, the future DCS engine will allow it.

Edited July 9, 2015 by PiedDroit

[King_Hrothgar]

My view is if it can't carry guns, bombs, rockets or missiles, then it doesn't belong in DCS. Beyond that I'm fairly open but I do think additions should complement current DCS offerings rather than go the orphan plane route (in terms of both air and surface friends/opponents). So no, I don't think a Cessna 172 has any place in DCS. Those types of planes fall firmly into the realm of FSX, P3D and XPlane. But I do think an AT-802U or A-29 would fit in just fine. I'm not saying I'd buy them, only that they fit.

[PiedDroit]

Well let's not restart that debate, it was already done on the other 2 threads.

 

The OP is willing to start something and is looking for suggestions.

If most people actually want a cessna you won't make them change their minds...

But if COIN aircraft is considered I'll be very interested :D

[King_Hrothgar]

Not trying to derail the thread, just stating why I think a COIN aircraft would be a better pick. I'm sure those would have broader appeal too as Cessna 172's have been done to death. In any case, some COIN planes I'd be interested in include (in order of preference):

 

1) A-29A Super Tacano

2) AT-802U

3) Yak-130 (trainer/COIN)

4) A-37 Dragonfly

5) A-1 Skyraider

 

I favor the more modern types due to survivability improvements. We all know the AI gunners in DCS are a little too accurate, so guided weapons are a major bonus. Unfortunately that does mean working with glass cockpits. I don't know too much about any of these particular aircraft, so the glass cockpit may or may not increase development difficulty.

[kolga]

I believe the tacano is in development by VEAO. I think a j-3 would pretty dang awesome!

But does not carry weapons (that I know of). An O-2 Skymaster does carry rockets i believe, and would fit in to the korea/vietnam scenario.

[King_Hrothgar]

They would like to do a Short Tucano at some unannounced point in the future, not the Super Tucano. The Short Tucano is an unarmed British clone of the EMB 312 trainer. The A-29 (EMB 314) is a modern attack plane based on the older EMB 312 airframe. It's similar to how the F-5 evolved from the older T-38.

[PiedDroit]

I believe the tacano is in development by VEAO. I think a j-3 would pretty dang awesome!

But does not carry weapons (that I know of). An O-2 Skymaster does carry rockets i believe, and would fit in to the korea/vietnam scenario.

Well if the Tucano is in development I'll gladly settle for an OV-10A Bronco.

I actually climb into a static one at a show, and I was too tall for it, my knees were touching the instruments panel - that without any gear or parachute (1m92) :Flush:.

 

EDIT

They would like to do a Short Tucano at some unannounced point in the future, not the Super Tucano.

Ohh you make me sad, I'd really like someone to do the Super...

Edited July 9, 2015 by PiedDroit

[Sukhoi25]

In any case, some COIN planes I'd be interested in include (in order of preference):

 

1) A-29A Super Tucano

2) AT-802U

3) Yak-130 (trainer/COIN)

4) A-37 Dragonfly

5) A-1 Skyraider

 

I don't know too much about any of these particular aircraft, so the glass cockpit may or may not increase development difficulty.

 

Hello Guys, thank you for contribution to the discussion.

So some facts: this afternoon i'll go to try to model the Super Tucano. Glass cockpit may help to become easier part 3d modelling of cockpit, but harder coding part, so BTW it's a quite good compromise :D.

 

1) A-29A Super Tucano=mine intention to develop (i am just at start)

2) AT-802U=don't know this one

3) Yak-130 (trainer/COIN)=mod(NOT module in developing by rsvnpilot with su-25t avionics)

4) A-37 Dragonfly=in developing by eduardo fadul

5) A-1 Skyraider=if i remember right on developing by starway or someone other.

 

personally i love also AT-6C Texan II which is like A-29, maybe with little wider weapon availability.

 

If i can model something good i'll post shots of the render ;)

[Sukhoi25]

The 0-1 can carry two HVAR rockets so it's quite military :megalol:

 

 

 

It has its own charm :huh: the rockets are 4 in two tubes launcher....:D

Edited July 10, 2015 by Sukhoi25

[Flycat]

However it's digital COMBAT simulator.

No combat no DCS.

LOL

:megalol:

[Buzzles]

Of course there's a place for civil and especially semi-civl airplanes.

 

It's all down to the eye of the beholder, even ED say they've got a place.

 

Would I buy any civil only modules for DCS as it currently stands? Probably not, although if someone came along with a DC3/C47 I'd be over that, and I'd certainly buy some of the semi-civil for COIN ops.

 

And in the future, if we were to get bigger and joined up maps, proper ATC and the like, then the combinations of clickable pits, advanced system modelling and top quality PFM/EFM's would probably see me buy a civil model or two.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Buzzles

[Vampyre]

It's similar to how the F-5 evolved from the older T-38.

 

Actually, the T-38 evolved from the F-5.

 

For COIN aircraft I'd like to see an OV-10A, OV-10D and OV-10D+ in DCS and am not opposed to a Cessna 150/172 either. Imagine the money to be made with a relatively cheap, realistic DCS quality simulation of a Cessna 172 that aspiring pilots can practice on. I imagine it would sell really well.

[Sukhoi25]

Thank you for keeping the discussion alive.

 

Well, on my side, i was very quickly refreshing my blender notions with a tutorial. So today i came on creating a quite basic A-29 Super Tucano. It's very sharp and needs so much work put into it but in a few weeks the external 3d could look pretty good.

 

Anyways, back on thread, i would say that yes it's right DCS stands for Digital COMBAT Simulator, BUT it doesn't exist a world without civil. B747 for example is used from the USAF as VC-25A :D So why not transport virtual Obama with that? Maybe with a nice escort by ten virtual F-15s?

 

And if there will be a real fully functional Vietnam map, O-1G Bird Dog, small civilian adapted for militairies, carrying 4 HVARs would be at his right place too?! :huh:

[Vampyre]

Anyways, back on thread, i would say that yes it's right DCS stands for Digital COMBAT Simulator, BUT it doesn't exist a world without civil.

 

Very true.

 

Evidently, from ED's own description of what DCS is, it has always been the intent to eventually add civilian aircraft into DCS World. It would be totally cool to practice real world operations in primary training types used to teach real world pilots to fly (Cessna 150, Cessna 172, Robinson R22, Schweitzer 300C). On the marketing side of the house, they could be used as a "gateway drug" leading to more people flying in DCS in various different modules. I'm all for more variety.

The problem I see is that truly large long ranged civil aircraft like the 747 really have no place in DCS at the moment due to the small sizes of the maps currently being built. I would not expect a 747 or similarly large aircraft to be developed without any way to fly a course from point A to point B. I mean, it would take forever to burn off the 258,000lbs of fuel to go from max takeoff weight to max landing weight... I wonder how many times one could circle the Georgia map with that kind of fuel load?

 

DCS stands for “Digital Combat Simulator”. DCS is a world simulation engine permitting the user to operate or direct a growing number of combat and civilian aircraft, ground vehicles and ships, from different historical eras, in different geographical locations and at different levels of fidelity. It is a true "sand box" simulation.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89885

Edited July 11, 2015 by Vampyre

[kolga]

They would like to do a Short Tucano at some unannounced point in the future, not the Super Tucano. The Short Tucano is an unarmed British clone of the EMB 312 trainer. The A-29 (EMB 314) is a modern attack plane based on the older EMB 312 airframe. It's similar to how the F-5 evolved from the older T-38.

 

They said it will have a few weapons:

 

Short have made a weapons capable one although it only serves with overseas air forces. The RAF variant is not capable of carrying weapons without significant modification.

 

I'd expect a basic weapons package for the Tucano.

 

Pman

[King_Hrothgar]

Then it is not a Short Tucano, it's an EMB 212. :P Either way, the EMB 214 was suggested, not the EMB 212. The point is they are not the same aircraft and so Sukoi25 wouldn't be stepping on anyone's toes by making it.

[Sukhoi25]

 

Very true.

 

Evidently, from ED's own description of what DCS is, it has always been the intent to eventually add civilian aircraft into DCS World.

 

I wonder how many times one could circle the Georgia map with that kind of fuel load?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89885

 

:megalol::megalol:

 

Yea that's true. Now i am trying to do the external 3d of Super Tucano.

It's a completely different plane from Short Tucano.

Look at the cockpit:

 

EMB312/T-27

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Brazil---Air/Embraer-T-27-Tucano/0949524/L/

EMB314/A-29

So it's good to try do one! :)

Edited July 17, 2015 by Sukhoi25

[MummRahh]

Yea that's true. Now i am trying to do the external 3d of Super Tucano.

It's a completely different plane from Short Tucano.

 

Small Civil Aircraft + COIN Aircraft = Can't wait to shoot drugs/arms dealers down :pilotfly:.

[Sukhoi25]

Ok. It's a nice idea :D Just, don't expect to much from me, i am still at start.

Thanks

 

SU :)

 

Which would be the maximal class/size of civil aircraft you would like in DCS? C172, Saab 2000, Dash 8Q400, others?

[Capn kamikaze]

I'd like to see the Super-Tucano modelled, for some COIN.