TEWS

[rvotri]

I already have read about it a lot, manual, other posts, but i have still some questions:

 

1 How do i know how far an object is when displayed in tews? (Mainly Because missiles (to maneuver off and SAM sites (I mean, if a SAM pop up, should i get the handbrake and get out?)

2 What is the param to an object be shown on tews? (I Mean, a fully switched off plane would be shown?)

3 If he's been shown to me, am i been shown to him too?

 

Tews is a lot confused to me, i mean, when a plane is shown there, i just simple don't know what to do:

A) BVR and turn on my radar? (Didn't worked: There is a lock and light to Fire, but, missile never hits)

B) Turn on nothing and go foward till i see the enemy and then use 3/4 CAC modes? (This actually doesn't work: I get shot first)

C) TURN off the simulator, delete it from my computer and sell my HOTAS stick and buy HAWX to play with the simple PS2 pad(kiddin')

 

Thanks in advance.

[Exorcet]

1. TEWS cannot display distance, it shows the strength of radar signals. Stronger signals of the same type are closer, but you can't get an exact distance.

 

 

2. TEWS displays emitting radars. It will not detect aircraft or vehicles, and it will not detect radars that are switched off. TEWS isn't used so much for finding aircraft, that is the job of the radar. TEWS alerts you to possible radar threats.

 

3. TEWS is completely passive and cannot give away your position. Also, because of how radar waves work, TEWS will often detect radar signals at distances too large for the radar to actually detect you. However these ranges are typically too long to use weapons.

 

A. What to do depends on the type of radar threat shown, how strong the signal is, and what your mission/objective is. If the radar appears to be relatively close, switching on your radar to find exactly where the threat is might be a good idea. You want as much information on threats as possible and knowing where they are is very important.

 

B. This will not work unless the threat is already close to you. Don't do this unless you have a good idea where the threat is already.

[rvotri]

1. TEWS cannot display distance, it shows the strength of radar signals. Stronger signals of the same type are closer, but you can't get an exact distance.

 

 

2. TEWS displays emitting radars. It will not detect aircraft or vehicles, and it will not detect radars that are switched off. TEWS isn't used so much for finding aircraft, that is the job of the radar. TEWS alerts you to possible radar threats.

 

3. TEWS is completely passive and cannot give away your position. Also, because of how radar waves work, TEWS will often detect radar signals at distances too large for the radar to actually detect you. However these ranges are typically too long to use weapons.

 

A. What to do depends on the type of radar threat shown, how strong the signal is, and what your mission/objective is. If the radar appears to be relatively close, switching on your radar to find exactly where the threat is might be a good idea. You want as much information on threats as possible and knowing where they are is very important.

 

B. This will not work unless the threat is already close to you. Don't do this unless you have a good idea where the threat is already.

 

So, into in an analogy, TEWS would be a EAR "listening" and RADAR beam the mouth "screaming"? Soon, if i'm not emitting any radar wave, just flying, i woudn't give away my position, right? SO why and how they find me??? I don't believe they have super eyes... It's kinda annoying you make all steps, take off, fly lower and then get a missile in ass without even know what shooted you. I'm really effective in a dogfight, if i just have a cannon, i would shot a plane down with no problems, i even avoid to use missiles when i get close enough, the fact is, rarelly i can make close enough, because online players have magical eyes, or just a hacking tool showing'em labels.

Can you tip me some video of a sneaking approach? Don't need to be a tutorial, just the thing happening?

Thanks 4 reply

[Exorcet]

So, into in an analogy, TEWS would be a EAR "listening" and RADAR beam the mouth "screaming"?

Yes.

 

Soon, if i'm not emitting any radar wave, just flying, i woudn't give away my position, right? SO why and how they find me???

Keeping your radar off only prevents enemy RWR's (TEWS) from finding you. It doesn't prevent radar or IRST from finding you.

 

I don't believe they have super eyes... It's kinda annoying you make all steps, take off, fly lower and then get a missile in ass without even know what shooted you.

Combat flight takes time to master, some players online have flown for years and are very good. I can't really pinpoint a problem from what you've said as it's very vague, but it sounds like you just need more practice.

 

I'm really effective in a dogfight, if i just have a cannon, i would shot a plane down with no problems, i even avoid to use missiles when i get close enough, the fact is, rarelly i can make close enough, because online players have magical eyes, or just a hacking tool showing'em labels.

 

It is very difficult to sneak up on a good player using only the RWR. Keep in mind that if you can see the RWR emission, the radar is probably pointed towards you, and so you may be in the radar's field of view.

 

 

Can you tip me some video of a sneaking approach? Don't need to be a tutorial, just the thing happening?

Thanks 4 reply

You can try looking on Youtube as many people post online dogfights. Off the top of my head I can't really recommend any video.

 

I do have one of my own videos where I survived a sneak attack, but I don't know how valuable it would be to you:

 

 

You can better analyze online missions by altering the track files automatically recorded (which is what I did in the video I linked) or by using tools like Tacview

 

http://tacview.strasoftware.com/product/about/en/

[Joni]

when you say that you are shot down magically, do you get RWR/TEWS warnings before that?

 

If you do, then you are being painted by someone elses radar and therefore you are being targeted or even locked. If you havent heard a warning from RWR before that then it is probably a very good player that knew your position through other means like wingmen, AWACS, etc..

 

 

Cheers.

[xaoslaad]

Tacview, if the server permits exported data (or in single player) is a great aid in figuring out what happened if youre willing to pay for it.

[pr1malr8ge]

I already have read about it a lot, manual, other posts, but i have still some questions:

 

1 How do i know how far an object is when displayed in tews? (Mainly Because missiles (to maneuver off and SAM sites (I mean, if a SAM pop up, should i get the handbrake and get out?)

As others have said, TEWS does not show distance nor altitude, what it shows is position relative to your nose. Think of it like a clock which I am sure you've already figured that out. How ever TEWS does show what it considers the highest threat closer to the center. This does not mean the threat is closer to you then another threat. As far as Sam pop-up Well that depends on the type. In this game Sams are always launched at max range. This will give you somewhat of time to turn and burn to cover.

 

2 What is the param to an object be shown on tews? (I Mean, a fully switched off plane would be shown?)

Tews only shows a threat that is or has actively emitting radio waves from a radar device. I do believe the tews will keep an inactive ping on screen for around 3 seconds. IMHO in game there is a problem with the TEWS not showing Active radar from RU planes when only turned on for a split second. That and the fact that it should not be able to IFF a target that quick either. But that is for another discussion.

3 If he's been shown to me, am i been shown to him too?

Possibly. Depends on how far he is away, what position you are relative to him and a few other things. If you do not have your radar on the chances of him knowing you are out there is slightly less.

Tews is a lot confused to me, i mean, when a plane is shown there, i just simple don't know what to do:

A) BVR and turn on my radar? (Didn't worked: There is a lock and light to Fire, but, missile never hits)

BVR is not just fire a missle and boom your opponent dies.

You need to look into what PK means. Your missiles do not have an unlimited range, and with the current flight dynamics the Max range you should ever fire your missle is 18nm and only if your opponent is either oblivios or way to high to manuever I would not suggest shooting any further then 12nm. NM= Nautical Mile or 6,000ft or 1minute of lattitude/longitude

B) Turn on nothing and go foward till i see the enemy and then use 3/4 CAC modes? (This actually doesn't work: I get shot first)

Unless you're skilled, going silent generally gets you killed.

C) TURN off the simulator, delete it from my computer and sell my HOTAS stick and buy HAWX to play with the simple PS2 pad(kiddin')

Don't sell your stuff.. you just need to slow down what you're trying to do. You've taken the correct step in asking for help.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

What I suggest is for you to not consider playing Multiplayer for a while. Play some instant action games on easy and maybe turn on Symbles so you can see opponents well before WVR, and turn on god mode till you get the hang of when launching works and under stand things a bit more. Then turn them off.. Even when you can kick the AI's rear going into multiplayer is a whole different ball game. Don't get discouraged.

 

IMHO the number 1 mistake new players do is think they can just go straight into a fight and kill.. Your number 1 priority is to take off and land. Don't push against opponents. Keep your distance stay in your own sides same cover and make them push to you. Fire your missiles at 12nm and turn and run. if you don't get a kill O well. stay alive land re-arm and keep at it. Things will start to click, and you will start getting kills. A2A fighting is as much of an art as it is science. You can do everything right and still get killed. you can do everything wrong against an opponent who is doing everything right and still kill them albeit very unlikely. Just remember Let your opponent bring the fight to you, That gives you the Highest odds of survival and of making a kill.

 

 

So, into in an analogy, TEWS would be a EAR "listening" and RADAR beam the mouth "screaming"? Soon, if i'm not emitting any radar wave, just flying, i woudn't give away my position, right? SO why and how they find me??? I don't believe they have super eyes... It's kinda annoying you make all steps, take off, fly lower and then get a missile in ass without even know what shooted you. I'm really effective in a dogfight, if i just have a cannon, i would shot a plane down with no problems, i even avoid to use missiles when i get close enough, the fact is, rarelly i can make close enough, because online players have magical eyes, or just a hacking tool showing'em labels.

Can you tip me some video of a sneaking approach? Don't need to be a tutorial, just the thing happening?

Thanks 4 reply

 

There isn't magical eyes, or hacking going on.. The main thing going on is you just don't understand the concepts of whats going on.

 

Here is a good place to start

 

http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/a2a.htm

Edited July 16, 2015 by pr1malr8ge

[Stuge]

BVR is such a complex game that blaming "super eyes", labels or hacking for your deaths is just... sad. It indicates profound lack of understanding AND practice.

 

So just keep practicing, keep studying, and the kills will start coming.

 

Su-27 pilots have sensors and weapons that can kill you without you ever seeing them coming, let alone being ready to defend a missile. Nothing magical about it.

[DarkFire]

TacView is the best tool I've ever used for evaluating my own performance, be it a single player mission or on the rare occasions I've played MP. I'm a total beginner at DCS PvP but every time I get shot down (95% of the time :music_whistling: ) I always, always check the TacView track afterwards. Most of the time the stupid mistake I made which resulted in me dangling from a parachute becomes painfully obvious, but there it is: TacView is a great learning tool. It's also very useful for evaluating how more experienced pilots fight their aircraft. I learn something every time I view a track.

 

Some things to bear in mind:

 

1) Real Eagle drivers spend hundreds of hours just learning how to fight, both in BVR and WVR scenarios.

 

2) There are quite a few DCS F-15 pilots, and Su-27 pilots, who have significantly more hours in this sim than real pilots have in the relevant aircraft. Most of them are unbelievably skilled so getting shot down by them is simply a matter of facing more experienced foes.

 

3) As others have commented, if you're facing an Su-27, bear in mind that his EOS combined with the R-27ET and R-73 missiles offer a stealthy attack option which will not alert you even when a missile is launched.

 

4) The worst thing you can do when fighting against a Flanker is to get in to a turning fight below ~7,000m altitude: the Su-27 has significantly better nose authority, and that combined with the helmet-mounted sight and off-bore capabilities of the R-73 give him a significant advantage in this scenario. Conversely the F-15 outruns and out-accelerates the Su-27. You'll have to learn to deny the Flanker pilot the opportunity of a merge & a WVR fight. Use your better speed & acceleration to stick strictly to an energy fight and you'll stand a much better chance.

Edited July 16, 2015 by DarkFire

[rvotri]

when you say that you are shot down magically, do you get RWR/TEWS warnings before that?

 

If you do, then you are being painted by someone elses radar and therefore you are being targeted or even locked. If you havent heard a warning from RWR before that then it is probably a very good player that knew your position through other means like wingmen, AWACS, etc..

 

 

Cheers.

 

No, no RWR or TWS warnings.. Well i've understood the concepts of IR missiles now, they don't cause any warn (at least in the simulator). Probably i was getting shot down by these missiles...

[rvotri]

What I suggest is for you to not consider playing Multiplayer for a while. Play some instant action games on easy and maybe turn on Symbles so you can see opponents well before WVR, and turn on god mode till you get the hang of when launching works and under stand things a bit more. Then turn them off.. Even when you can kick the AI's rear going into multiplayer is a whole different ball game. Don't get discouraged.

 

IMHO the number 1 mistake new players do is think they can just go straight into a fight and kill.. Your number 1 priority is to take off and land. Don't push against opponents. Keep your distance stay in your own sides same cover and make them push to you. Fire your missiles at 12nm and turn and run. if you don't get a kill O well. stay alive land re-arm and keep at it. Things will start to click, and you will start getting kills. A2A fighting is as much of an art as it is science. You can do everything right and still get killed. you can do everything wrong against an opponent who is doing everything right and still kill them albeit very unlikely. Just remember Let your opponent bring the fight to you, That gives you the Highest odds of survival and of making a kill.

 

 

 

 

There isn't magical eyes, or hacking going on.. The main thing going on is you just don't understand the concepts of whats going on.

 

Here is a good place to start

 

http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/a2a.htm

 

 

 

Nice reply pal, and that's all true. I get anxious and run all the way directly to Multiplayer right before to even learn importants concepts. As you said, it's science, not just lock and shot. I've read a lot about the sim, and there's more there that i could imagine, i noticed i have some spacial problem too (LOLOL) sometimes after a turn i think i going to a direction and then i'm going to other, but, i guess this is just a matter of time. I've been playing A10C and reading a lot of manual too, and i getting the hang of that, bombing is more easy than a2a, so i decided to start there, i even successfully shot down some planes with Aim9 Including a MiG29 (that was orgasmic). I'll keep practicing. The most difficult thing to me is to find targets, but the A10 has it's own cheater thing (TGP and China) that helps to find enemy, then i look out the window to see it's aspect and learn how to visualize them more and more. The A10C is giving a great hand to me to understand all those concepts.

[rvotri]

BVR is such a complex game that blaming "super eyes", labels or hacking for your deaths is just... sad. It indicates profound lack of understanding AND practice.

 

So just keep practicing, keep studying, and the kills will start coming.

 

Su-27 pilots have sensors and weapons that can kill you without you ever seeing them coming, let alone being ready to defend a missile. Nothing magical about it.

 

That's all true, i've been reading a lot about latelly. But i still think that mp players are super players, but now, for theyr hability. It's sad to know there's a lot to learn and maybe i'll never get the "confortable flying". Any way, i'm practicing A10C a lot and i started to see all different.

[Stuge]

That's all true, i've been reading a lot about latelly. But i still think that mp players are super players, but now, for theyr hability. It's sad to know there's a lot to learn and maybe i'll never get the "confortable flying". Any way, i'm practicing A10C a lot and i started to see all different.

 

While flying A-10C is nice and all, it doesn't teach you much about modern air-to-air.

 

If you really want to learn.. start flying regularly on for example 104th server, hang out on teamspeak, talk to people, then after a few months you'll probably notice that you've got the hang of the basics ;)

[SinusoidDelta]

While flying A-10C is nice and all, it doesn't teach you much about modern air-to-air.

 

If you really want to learn.. start flying regularly on for example 104th server, hang out on teamspeak, talk to people, then after a few months you'll probably notice that you've got the hang of the basics ;)

 

I couldn't agree more. Teamspeak is the most valuable resource you have. I might add spending some time in single player with the manual handy to learn the basic controls. Most people in TS will be glad to answer more detailed questions. I also spent a lot of time in the virtual aerobatics server, dogfighting with the ground, just to learn the jet's performance capabilities.

[Chann3l]

While flying A-10C is nice and all, it doesn't teach you much about modern air-to-air.

 

If you really want to learn.. start flying regularly on for example 104th server, hang out on teamspeak, talk to people, then after a few months you'll probably notice that you've got the hang of the basics ;)

 

I was on that server last night checking out the Multiplayer for the first time. Gonna have to reinstall TeamSpeak as that sounds like a necessity for dcs.