Pineapple Pete Posted November 29, 2015 Posted November 29, 2015 Hi Speedbird, Well, this isn't about the ILS. Rather about the brakes. After touchdown use aerodynamic braking until you run out of elevator authority and then use the "W" key for braking. Just steer with the rudders. I set 0,100,100,0 for curves stops pretty good. I hope you had a nice thanks giving. OOPS with a name like speedbird perhaps you are a Brit? It is always best to not fly too fast or fly too slow. So I fly half fast. :D
speedbird5 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Posted November 30, 2015 Hi Speedbird, Well, this isn't about the ILS. Rather about the brakes. After touchdown use aerodynamic braking until you run out of elevator authority and then use the "W" key for braking. Just steer with the rudders. I set 0,100,100,0 for curves stops pretty good. I hope you had a nice thanks giving. OOPS with a name like speedbird perhaps you are a Brit? Hi Pineapple, Yes, I already use that technique and alluded to it in my original post. My point is that we should be able to use brakes at say, 100 knots as I can successfully do in P3D in the VRS Superbug. Anyway, hopefully ED might address the rudder issue. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. No, I am not a Brit, but an Aussie.
Pineapple Pete Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Couldn't agree with you more. Aussie's rock! Take care. It is always best to not fly too fast or fly too slow. So I fly half fast. :D
Bulldog_1 Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 NWS is ridiculous! It is like trying to steer a unicycle down the runway! DELL OptiPlex AIO 7410: i5-12500T 2.00GHz: 2TB SSD: 64GB RAM: UHD 770 1920x1080 @ 60Hz: ThrustMaster HOTAS X: IRL Retired Maintainer of the AT-38B: F-4E/G: F-15A/B/C/D: and McDonnell Douglas/Boeing Technical Advisor for the F-15C/D. I drive trains now.
Jester Darrak Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Don't use NWS above 50kts. Before lowering your nose, disengage NWS [LAlt+Q] or you will veer off the runway within seconds. Increased rudder authority only slightly affects ground handling but will give you enough force to steer down to 50-70kts. Remember, when you are on final approach your only corrections should be pitch and throttle.
pr1malr8ge Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Ok, so. Just to clearify something. in the f15c; NWS cannot be disengaged unless weight is off the nose gear. [i.E. in FLIGHT] Second, I'm thinking SpeedBird's constant barrage of this thread in everyone else's threads who slightly have any mention of possible rudder dialog is getting a bit on the annoying side. SpeedBird, I think you should just Directly just pm Coffcorpse and see what he truly has to say about it. For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that.
speedbird5 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Second, I'm thinking SpeedBird's constant barrage of this thread in everyone else's threads who slightly have any mention of possible rudder dialog is getting a bit on the annoying side. DCS has great potential, I am only trying to improve it. The fact that DerekSpeare, in his thread, "F-15C - How to apply brakes without going off the runway?" raises the same issue indicates there is a problem. I merely pointed him to this thread as it would give him perhaps more information. How is this a "constant barrage"? Who is "Coffcorpse" and why should I automatically know of him and why should I PM him? I would expect the developers to monitor the threads and respond to valid criticisms. (P.S. For the record, I am a real world pilot with over 16,000 hours on military types and Jet airliners, so I do have significant experience to back my statements) Edited December 10, 2015 by speedbird5
SinusoidDelta Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 DCS has great potential, I am only trying to improve it. The fact that DerekSpeare, in his thread, "F-15C - How to apply brakes without going off the runway?" raises the same issue indicates there is a problem. I merely pointed him to this thread as it would give him perhaps more information. How is this a "constant barrage"? Who is "Coffcorpse" and why should I automatically know of him and why should I PM him? I would expect the developers to monitor the threads and respond to valid criticisms. (P.S. For the record, I am a real world pilot with over 16,000 hours on military types and Jet airliners, so I do have significant experience to back my statements) Coffcorpse is the mastermind behind the F-15 FM. I'm sure he is reading. If you haven't already, upload a .trk demonstrating the issue. It would help determine if it is flight model related or not. As far as I know the FM is still a WIP and the more information you can provide, the better. And with all due respect pr1malr8ge, you're posting in his thread here...
pr1malr8ge Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 DCS has great potential, I am only trying to improve it. The fact that DerekSpeare, in his thread, "F-15C - How to apply brakes without going off the runway?" raises the same issue indicates there is a problem. I merely pointed him to this thread as it would give him perhaps more information. How is this a "constant barrage"? Who is "Coffcorpse" and why should I automatically know of him and why should I PM him? I would expect the developers to monitor the threads and respond to valid criticisms. (P.S. For the record, I am a real world pilot with over 16,000 hours on military types and Jet airliners, so I do have significant experience to back my statements) Coffcorpse is the mastermind behind the F-15 FM. I'm sure he is reading. If you haven't already, upload a .trk demonstrating the issue. It would help determine if it is flight model related or not. As far as I know the FM is still a WIP and the more information you can provide, the better. And with all due respect pr1malr8ge, you're posting in his thread here... As Sinus has stated CoffCorpse is one of the lead programmers for the f15c in DCS. While I agree they are monitoring, what I'm stating if that you are going into other threads and plastering links to this one.. I think it would be a bit more productive to just msg Coff then to keep insisting people check out this thread. I never stated you did not have any real world experience. Sinus, I know I posted in his thread. Why should I respond in another thread he has linked to this one? For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that.
speedbird5 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Posted December 10, 2015 Pr1malr8ge, I posted one link to this thread. I have not "plastered" links and nor have I "insisted" people check out this thread. It is a common practice to post links to other threads when trying to assist people as so many other people have done in these forums. So I reject your inference. Sinusoid, I will post some tracks when able.
DerekSpeare Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 It's good to have been pointed to this thread as it has enlightened me to the differences between the DCS F15 and the real one. I agree that developers can benefit from having feedback from those in the community with real world experience. Derek "BoxxMann" Speare derekspearedesigns.com 25,000+ Gaming Enthusiasts Trust DSD Components to Perform! i7-11700k 4.9g | RTX3080ti (finally!)| 64gb Ram | 2TB NVME PCIE4| Reverb G1 | CH Pro Throt/Fighterstick Pro | 4 DSD Boxes Falcon XT/AT/3.0/4.0 | LB2 | DCS | LOMAC Been Flight Simming Since 1988! Useful VR settings and tips for DCS HERE
speedbird5 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Posted December 10, 2015 It's good to have been pointed to this thread as it has enlightened me to the differences between the DCS F15 and the real one. I agree that developers can benefit from having feedback from those in the community with real world experience. Thank you DerekSpeare. I am glad to have been of some help to you and maybe some others in the DCS community.
pr1malr8ge Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Speed, I do apologize, if I might have "connected" your thread with it being plastered but I've seen several posts in other threads linking to a rudder issue. Maybe it was some one else. So if I'm wrong I do apologize. I don't have time to look back at the moment due to being at work. How ever it might have been the FPS drop issue with rudder pedals that I was noticing being "plastered" so if it was again I apologize for the statements I made. Edited December 10, 2015 by pr1malr8ge For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that.
speedbird5 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Posted December 10, 2015 Speed, I do apologize, if I might have "connected" your thread with it being plastered but I've seen several posts in other threads linking to a rudder issue. Maybe it was some one else. So if I'm wrong I do apologize. I don't have time to look back at the moment due to being at work. How ever it might have been the FPS drop issue with rudder pedals that I was noticing being "plastered" so if it was again I apologize for the statements I made. pr1malr8ge, thanks for the apology.
speedbird5 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Here are two tracks which illustrate the problem using DCS 1.5.2 The first track is with the Saitek Combat rudder pedals unplugged. On landing, I apply brakes using the W key only with no rudder inputs at all. There is no wind in this mission. As you can see with only the brakes applied and no rudder input the aircraft veers off to the left and off the runway with only the W key pressed. The nosewheel steering is not deflected either. If you bring up the control inputs display with RCtrl+Enter you can see there are no rudder or aileron inputs on the rollout and brakes are applied symmetrically. The second track is with the Saitek Combat rudder pedals plugged in. On landing, I apply brakes using the toe brakes and try to keep the aircraft straight with rudder. There is no wind in this mission. The nosewheel steering is not deflected either. As you can see directional control is very difficult. My current rudder axis setting is attached to the first post on this thread. I do not use the Saitek SST software.F-15 landing-No Saitek Rudders - W key only.trkF-15 landing-With Saitek Rudders.trk Edited December 12, 2015 by speedbird5
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