Campaign SU27 Davy Jones Locker

[germinalmc]

Hello Guys, just wanted to know if there is a bug or a better way of completing this campaign mission which involves in a figther sweep so su34 and tu22 bombers can bomb an american aircraft carrier.

 

ive tryed everything and the damn thing just dont go down, ive clean all 8 f18 etc and then proceeded with the assault and no success on sinking the aircraft carrier, is it bugged or is there a trick to it.

 

Thx

[Iron Spear]

Same problem here. Tried couple of times and bombers just can not complete their part.

[Ironhand]

Hello Guys, just wanted to know if there is a bug or a better way of completing this campaign mission which involves in a figther sweep so su34 and tu22 bombers can bomb an american aircraft carrier.

 

ive tryed everything and the damn thing just dont go down, ive clean all 8 f18 etc and then proceeded with the assault and no success on sinking the aircraft carrier, is it bugged or is there a trick to it.

 

Thx

Haven't actually flown the mission myself but checked it and the carrier sinks with two missile hits. I think a total of 8 missiles are available in the strike package. On a dry run, 6 of the missiles got through the carrier group's defenses.

 

When you fly it, are the bombers actually attacking? It looks like there's a radio message added to the radio menu allowing you to tell the package to attack, once you are within a trigger zone.

[Iron Spear]

Hey Iron hand, thanks for stopping buy. So I am not sure what is wrong with the mission but carrier can`t be destroyed. I even had a crazy idea to go to Mykop and arm with S-13 rocket and Fab 500 and to put this carrier down. I managed to hit him with 17 s-13 rockets and 3 Fab 500 and nothing! They shoot me down with aa gun from the ship. And yes all the bombers made their run. Here is a prtscr.

 

 

[Ironhand]

That's odd. It only takes two of those missiles (Kh-22) to sink the carrier and, yet, the bomber group had multiple hits without "killing" it.

 

One difference between yours and mine is that I opened the mission in the Mission Editor and saved it under a different name. You might try that as well. Some older missions do not play out properly with the current build. Sometimes saving them with the current build allows them to play out correctly.

 

I think you'll find it in your DCS directory under Mods/Aircraft/FC3/Missions/Campaigns (working from memory and the location might not be quite right). IIRC, it's the last Su-27 mission in the campaign.

 

EDIT: Just went through your screens more carefully. It looks like none of the Kh-22's hit the carrier. Yet, when I ran the mission, those were targeting the carrier. And I didn't see any Kh-31's launched.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Ironhand

[Iron Spear]

Don`t know what exactly is the problem I `ve spent a lot of time attempting to finish this mission and campaign, but no luck. I had the mission in a same location as you mentioned and there is an interesting thing that I can`t "save as" it cos of some kind of permission issue (It must be a damn win10 related)

 

I can send you a track link if you like?

[Ironhand]

Don`t know what exactly is the problem I `ve spent a lot of time attempting to finish this mission and campaign, but no luck. I had the mission in a same location as you mentioned and there is an interesting thing that I can`t "save as" it cos of some kind of permission issue (It must be a damn win10 related)

 

I can send you a track link if you like?

My OS is Win10 as well. Have you tried right-clicking n the file and changing the permissions? Is it read-only perhaps?

 

We can try the track. I'd be glad to run it. It's just that tracks often don't play back correctly. But, perhaps, it'll provide a clue as to what is going on. I'll also send you a copy of my saved file. You won't be able to fly it as a part of the campaign. It'll just be a single mission but, perhaps, it'll give you some satisfaction--assuming the carrier sinks. :)

[Iron Spear]

Yes I tried with editing and after just save (nothing changed) I`ve got some weird name spaces...

 

 

Here is the link for TacView so you can rewind it , I don`t want you to be bored to death with almost 2 hours of flying :)) But there are some interesting parts especialy when I landed on Mykop with 3% of fuel left :)

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5gzto1oremrm6o/Tacview-20160208-165230-DCS.txt.rar?dl=0

[Ironhand]

Yes I tried with editing and after just save (nothing changed) I`ve got some weird name spaces...

 

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Here is the link for TacView so you can rewind it , I don`t want you to be bored to death with almost 2 hours of flying :)) But there are some interesting parts especialy when I landed on Mykop with 3% of fuel left :)

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5gzto1oremrm6o/Tacview-20160208-165230-DCS.txt.rar?dl=0

That "DictKey" naming error has been reported. It seems to occur if you open an older mission, make changes and , then, rename it. If you first open it and save it with a new name before working on it, it doesn't seem to happen.

 

I'll check out the Tacview, when I have a bit more time.

[Iron Spear]

Thanks Ironhand!

[Ironhand]

Considering that the Kh-31s have less than a tenth of the TNT equivalent of a single Kh-22 (87kg vs 1000kg respectively), I guess it's not surprising that they didn't touch the carrier. The FAB-500s that you tried, BTW, have a TNT equivalent of 240kg. So it'll take quite a few of those as well.

[firmek]

I flew this mission quite a long time ago but I remember having the same problem. The carrier just didn't want to sink.

Being frustrated I've cheated and added a number of TU-2 bombers and SU-34's in mission editor (I think I might have actually doubled the original number :music_whistling:). I've also loaded them full with anti ship missiles.

Still this did not help, the carrier took a ridiculous amount of beating and only started to smoke. To be fair, a number of missiles where taken out by the anti missile defenses or eaten by the escort ships.

Seeing the carrier smoking and his escort being sunk I've decided to do the crazy idea from the thread - I flew back to Mykop and loaded S-13's. This helped. The carrier was hit with one or two S-13 and went down but I assume that he must have been heavily damaged and not a lot was needed to finish him off.

[Iron Spear]

@ Ironhand. Thanks for the info about kh - 22. But maybe it`s some kind of a bug as you mentioned that su 24 are set to go and also to bomb the carrier.

 

@fimek. I am glad that my crazy idea helped :), but it was not a flanker mission, and those heavy modifications are cool but that`s not what I am realy after cos it`s a campaign and it should stay genuine.

[firmek]

@ Ironhand. Thanks for the info about kh - 22. But maybe it`s some kind of a bug as you mentioned that su 24 are set to go and also to bomb the carrier.

 

@fimek. I am glad that my crazy idea helped :), but it was not a flanker mission, and those heavy modifications are cool but that`s not what I am realy after cos it`s a campaign and it should stay genuine.

I'm with you. Sadly editing the mission file was the only one option for me to proceed with the campaign. After flying the mission around 5 times and successfully taking out all enemy fighters Ive come to a conclusion that the mission is probably broken. The attack group just could not sink the carrier.

[Ironhand]

Here's how it should work. I noticed that in your version of the mission the Kh-22s are targeted against the Normandy rather than the Vinson. When I run the mission, however, the Tu-22s target the Vinson only. So all of the Kh-22s are headed there. Then, because of the Kh-31s' shorter range, the Su-34s release their missiles later in two and a half separate waves. (The "half" wave is simply a delayed release by one aircraft because it's slightly out of position when the others release.

 

At any rate. Here are the ships sinking. From the "push" command until the last ship slips under the waves takes about 15 minutes. But I've compressed time just under 2 minutes to spare you the wasted time.

 

I've attached the mission used to create the video. I've altered nothing. Just re-saved it. If you want, try it as a single mission or slip it in as a replacement for the version you have and give it a try. Of course, if you do the latter, you'll have to rename it. And save a copy of your original, too, of course.

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, the newly saved mission will work for the folks having issues.

 

 

Rich

[Iron Spear]

Didn`t have much time to play DCS, but I `ve loaded your file and give it a try. So here is the situation. None of the KH 22 was targeted Carl wilson carrier. I was watching on the map missile hiting only 2 other ships. However carrier was hit with KH 31 multiple times and nothing again. So I think this mission still has a bug of some kind. It would be logical that bombers only launch on Carl Wilson as you mentioned that they actually do on your mission and Su - 34 on Normandy and other gun boat.

[Ironhand]

Didn`t have much time to play DCS, but I `ve loaded your file and give it a try. So here is the situation. None of the KH 22 was targeted Carl wilson carrier. I was watching on the map missile hiting only 2 other ships. However carrier was hit with KH 31 multiple times and nothing again. So I think this mission still has a bug of some kind. It would be logical that bombers only launch on Carl Wilson as you mentioned that they actually do on your mission and Su - 34 on Normandy and other gun boat.

Well that stinks. Just for laughs, delete the Blue fighters and run the mission. See if things behave as they should then.

 

If I'm doing the math right, it'd take about 40 Kh-31 hits to sink the carrier. I don't think there are that many in the mission.

 

EDIT: If I have some time this afternoon, I'll check it again and see if I can spot what's screwing it up for you.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Ironhand

[Iron Spear]

Yes thos stinks very bad. How can I change file in mission editor and tell su 24 to launch only on Winston carier?

EDIT: I found the option for strike only on carrier.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Iron Spear

[Ironhand]

Yes thos stinks very bad. How can I change file in mission editor and tell su 24 to launch only on Winston carier?

EDIT: I found the option for strike only on carrier.

Set the bombers (Kh-22s) to launch against the carrier and the Su-24s to attack the other two vessels. The carrier group has to be sunk for success, not just the carrier itself. It takes far fewer Kh-31 hits on the other vessels to sink them.

[Iron Spear]

Finally completed :))))))))))

 

I`ve also changed start position from Maykop, cos it`s more logical cos you need to provide top cover for strike package. In the original mission you are going oposite way from the strike group, and it`s a lot closer and faster to get in to fight :)

 

[Iron Spear]

Set the bombers (Kh-22s) to launch against the carrier and the Su-24s to attack the other two vessels. The carrier group has to be sunk for success, not just the carrier itself. It takes far fewer Kh-31 hits on the other vessels to sink them.

 

Thats what I did, and you mean su-34 to attack to other vessels

[Ironhand]

Finally completed :))))))))))

 

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CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :thumbup: