hitman Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Aviation_and_Aerospace Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot.
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 May god bless victims souls. I’ve flown in that kind of airplane numerous times. I was always amazed on how sharp and cool it looks like. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Guest IguanaKing Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 My condolences to the familes of those who were lost. My prayers also go to the individual who was lucky enough to survive, and his/her family, the months ahead will be a trial for them all.
Force_Feedback Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 My condoleances to the families. :| The plane came down a mile from the runway, maybe it stalled at some point, or its engines failed somehow. Pray for the only survivor. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
WhiskeyRomeo Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Its looking like maybe the aircraft took off on the wrong runway - 26 instead of the usual 22. One news report I heard made it sound like the aircraft was damaged somehow trying to take off on the too short runway.
Guest IguanaKing Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 A CRJ from a 3500 foot runway? Yup...that COULD be a factor. Tower should have been more on-the-ball and prevented it, but you never know these days. Again...I owe my life to a Ryan 9900BX, because ATC definitely tried to kill me that day.
Pilotasso Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Its incredible these kinda mistakes still hapen, not just US because the problem is pretty much international. .
Guest IguanaKing Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Our MUCH higher amount of civilian traffic in the US only aggravates the problem, its actually a credit to ATC that it doesn't happen more often than it does. That's why TCAS, TIS, and Capstone are becoming so necessary. Next will be FLIR in civilian aircraft.
SVK_Duchi Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Lets have a 1 minute silent,please for all those victims.God bles you:( Gigabyte 790XTA-UD4,AMD Phenom II x2 555 black edition 3,7 Ghz,Zepelin 4Gb 1333Mhz ddr3,Gigabyte HD 5770 Superoverclock,HAF 922,TrackIR5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hitman Posted August 27, 2006 Author Posted August 27, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Aviation_and_Aerospace Wrong Runway. Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot.
Guest IguanaKing Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 If that's true, then, no doubt about it, all blame goes to the flight crew. ATC should have said "You're gonna do what from two six...in a what?" . But its still the flight crew's f-up, they should have known better, and its not like the CRJs pit leaves much to the imagination as far as how long a runway is. Again, my sympathies for all those involved.
Pilotasso Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Aviation_and_Aerospace Wrong Runway. thats why I said it was a serious mistake in my previous post. .
LawnDart Posted August 28, 2006 Posted August 28, 2006 Pilot error sounds like. Before even reaching a third of the length of that 3,500ft runway, if they realized it, the crew was faced with a terrible decision: Abort and glue the brakes to the wheels and use full TR's and still quite likely train wreck off the end of the runway OR attempt a late rotation, prior to the aircraft having enough performance to sustain flight (especially given its full load), but before running out of real estate. Any performance data, V1, Vr etc is out the window since the runway itself isn't even long enough for a Canadair to utilize. All data and speeds they had were based on runway 22 which was the "only" option. My guess would be that when they realized what was happening, their only option was hoping to "pull" the plane airborne before Vr and getting into the air vs. a certain high-speed over-run. I truly feel for the pilots being faced with such a unimaginable decision, regardless of how it came about. I've taken off from runway 22 in Lexington many times myself and in some ways I can visualize how this unfolded, right from the taxi-out until the realization of a mistake set in and it's disastrous consequences being faced, even before anyone else ever knew. Conditions of day and fatigue may have very well been a key factor. My sympathies for those involved and those who lost loved ones. [sigpic]http://www.virtualthunderbirds.com/Signatures/sig_LD.jpg[/sigpic] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Corsair 750D Case | Corsair RM850i PSU | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X CODE | 32GB Corsair DDR4 3200 | Intel i7-8086K | Corsair Hydro H100i v2 Cooler | EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW | Oculus Rift | X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty | Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB NVMe | Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB | WD Caviar Black 2 x 1TB | TM HOTAS Warthog | TM Pendular Rudder | TM MFD Cougar Pack | 40" LG 1080p LED | Win10 |
WhiskeyRomeo Posted August 28, 2006 Posted August 28, 2006 The aircraft was cleared to takeoff from runway 26 @ 6:05am by the single tower controller. Two previous flights had already departed that morning. There was light rain or drizzle at the airport. Possible visibility and/or runway braking limitations. The taxi route to the active runway changed last week. Runway 22 high intensity edge lighting was out - runway 26 is unlighted.
wilsonov Posted August 28, 2006 Posted August 28, 2006 runway 26 is 3500' long.........depending on weight and air temp, the CRJ needs about 4500' to get off..........to this pilot, it looks like "pilot error" :thumbup:
S77th-konkussion Posted August 28, 2006 Posted August 28, 2006 It does, indeed. If that 1st O survives- they will savage him.. It might be justified, but I can't help eye the tower here at least a little bit. Just looking at the vantage point the tower has- and noting from WR's post that they apparently cleared them on 26... I wonder to what extent all the construction altered all the signage & directions from the cockpit POV, etc.. at any rate.. God be with the families. :( [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
hitman Posted August 28, 2006 Author Posted August 28, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Aviation_and_Aerospace Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot.
WhiskeyRomeo Posted August 29, 2006 Posted August 29, 2006 ... and noting from WR's post that they apparently cleared them on 26... (I did write "cleared to takeoff from runway 26" but in actual fact the tower did clear them to takeoff from the correct runway - 22. The CVR did catch the takeoff clearance and read back for the correct runway. It's likely he gave the takeoff clearance while the CRJ was still taxing. With just a single controller in the tower its entirely possible he was busy with other duties and didnt watch for, or expect, the pilots to have any problems getting to the right runway just as the 2 previous departures had done that morning. I saw where the FAA has added a 2nd controller to the tower shift. I'm sure they'll be looking over staffing at dozens of similar sized airfields in the weeks ahead. It seems easy to say "crew error" but as always seems to be the case the more important question(s) will be what factors led up to the point where the crew could not recover from an error in judgement. Just this afternoon a Hawker 800 jet had to make an emergency wheels up landing at Carson City, NV after colliding with a GLIDER at 16,000 while descending toward Reno, NV airport. The Hawker has pieces of the glider embedded in the nose. They still haven't found the glider or its occupant(s). Will be interesting to see what report the investigators will make out of that accident. Also today a SR-22 crash landed into a pond after the aircraft parachute deployed. The pilot may have had a heart attack while airborne and later died at a hospital. The other 3 passengers survived.
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