das Rindvieh Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 Bluelight your "honest opinion" means exactly squat unless you're a flight simulator coding expert and know how to do it better. If you can do it better do it. Otherwise...be patient like everyone else. I've watched this game mature more in the last 3 years than many other games mature during their entire lives. Fixing problems properly takes time. Catching up with new tech takes time. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...some people don't care about VR. In fact, Id be willing to bet if you do a little checking you're gonna find you are a very small minority of the people currently flying DCS. Sorry simple fact. Now, Does that mean YOUR wishes or desires are less important than ours? No. Does it mean your wishes and are more important than ours? No. But it sure he'll doesn't give you the right to come in here and imply the people working on this sim don't care just because they don't appear to be addressing the specific wishes of a particular group within the community. That's arrogant and childish. :doh: And that´s only your opinion... Attack other guys for their (proper) opinion, is also not the finest way. I love DCS for what it is, but the performance isn´t very good. Especially in VR. Framedrops from 90 down to 40 and back to 50 and again 90. That´s simply a fact. You can measure it out with simply software. Currently the map-3d-buildings are not destructable, haven´t the great look nor great textures, but the framerate still breaks down, when flying over a town, or looking from the sea in the direction of a town.- Bad performance. Compared to other sims or games, DCS isn´t very optimized. But I know, compare a sim like DCS to other software isn´t easy. I hope the best for the future and 2.5 and I think, the developers are working hard to make it more stable especially in VR. They all know, that VR is the future. The developers of BMS 4.33 will shoot in their own knee, as many of the BMS-simmers stuck flying in DCS now, because of their ignorance to support VR. And it´s a game-changer. When you say, that some people don't care about VR, then I guess, you don´t use it. And yes, you are right.- SOME people don´t care about it. But it is the future and I think, we all have to accept this. It can´t be ignored. And especially sims have to go with it. Take a look at Iracing. It´s the best example. That´s THE!! hardcore-sim with THE!! hardcore-community! Driving with 3 monitors was great and much easier (in case of performance) then it would be in DCS. But the first thing the developers did, after the oculus came out, was implementing it into the sim. And it runs better then any other game/sim. And all the hardcore-simmers with their thousands of € expensive rigs, change into VR and accept, that they don´t see their 6000€ wheel for getting the perfect immersion and a better lap- performance... All sim-developers have to implement VR and support it more, then anything else. Otherwise there are coming another developers with the same quality of content, but much better VR support and you will loose... That´s my opinion.
hansangb Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 #1. You're obviously a fan boy so responding to you is probably a waste of time but I'll give it 1 go. #2. MANY people in this forum share my opinion of not only the poor performance with VR but in the 2D game as well. The difference is it doesn't effect the 2D version as much as VR but based on the numbers and tests, the engine performs worst than any other game I have seen in utilizing GPU and CPU power and there is really no excuse to have such poor performance in such an expensive product. Oh and by the way, they wouldn't have added VR to the game if they didn't care about it. #3. I have a long history in the forums of talking about these issues and providing LOADS of evidence.. begging for the devs and testers (who I know for a fact have seen my posts) to respond and explain these things but the same result always happens. They ignore the threads completely (even though they saw it.. I have evidence of that but wont get into it cause they told me not to.) If they don't ignore completely, then they give a quick generic response that does not apply to the situation at all and is not a fix for the problem. I have also talked with people in the forums who got generic responses when submitting tickets that don't fix the problem. All of these reasons and more, formed my opinion. #4. I am a paying customer, having bought several modules for this game. That gives me every right to say what I am saying. Not only for that reason, but because of my experiences and the people who have shared their experiences with me that are the same. Just cause your experience differs doesn't mean you need to create a post that has no purpose other than to attack me. #5. I am a graphics expert and professional visual FX artist so yes, I know a thing or two about graphical optimization in not only games, but film and have the experience to back it up. Having said all of that, I have a right to my opinion and my opinion is based on evidence as well as my experiences and many others who I have talked with here. Your opinion is based on nothing more than your own experience and using that, you want to call others who you know nothing about, arrogant. LOL :lol: I'd say the only real arrogant person is one who jumps into a conversation that he hasn't followed fully, with someone he knows nothing about, halfcocked, and tries (and fails) to make him feel bad for his opinion. Thats about all I have to say to you. Now lets get back to trying to solve the problems here. Well, they are technically still in beta stage. And I'm lucky in that I haven't experience any of the micro stutters etc. Do I wish for better performance? Especially in VR? Of course. But I'm also willing to wait. The strides ED made in VR is fantastic. Also, the comment about being an FX artist, I think it would have more gravitas if you wrote the software as opposed to using the software. Two very different things, in terms of optimization. But as you said, everyone is free to convey their opinion. You are a paying customer, after all. Just like me. The market will decide. If ED continuously fail to deliver, people will move on. I for one want them to hang around. IT's also the reason why I buy every module (sans the MIG series...have zero interest). I bought everything else so I can vote with my wallet. But all in all, I'm happy with the pace of change/improvement in the games. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
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