How come there's no F16 / F22 in the game?

[Tirak]

I totally agree with this post. Early version of the F-16 will be a little bit more complex to develop than the F-5 for example. And it will be fun to fight and fly, comparable with the other late 80's early 90's 4-th gen. planes already available in DCS World. And I'm secretly hoping that Belsimtek will consider this project as a next logical step in module complexity.

 

And for the record - I do fly BMS and really like this sim. If ever F-16 is developed for DCS World I will fly both.

And to tell you the truth, I find the latest F-16 block 52 with all of its fancy stand off weapons a little bit boring, since you totally dominate your enemies and you stay far away from harms way. Learning all these complex avionics is fun, but I prefer the older versions and weapons where you fight hard with sams and defending planes to strike a target. So this is the reason again I prefer an older version to be developed for DCS World.

 

So try the Israel or Balkans theatre, it has exactly the kind of challenge you're asking for.

[gavagai]

Your wrong.

 

Wikipedia says 1991 to present.

 

Please tell me the correct timeframe. I do want to know. Thanks!

[mvsgas]

Wikipedia says 1991 to present.

 

Please tell me the correct timeframe. I do want to know. Thanks!

 

Going back to the original statement:

F-16A is a fine aircraft, but it wouldn't do much to alleviate the F-15C spamming of multiplayer.

Nothing can stop that. You can add SU-35 (the second one, not the prototype) to DCS and it would just mean SU-35 and F-15 spamming.

 

Air-to-air it would be very similar to the Mirage 2000C,

It would depend on the specific tail number at a specific time frame from a specific country modeled. Some F-16A in RL would be less capable with only AIM-9, later those same specific aircraft gain AIM-120 capability, loosing those capabilities later on when resold to other countries.

 

and you're really looking for the Aim-7 and not the Aim-120A for the F-16A.

F-16A (depending on the specific aircraft) can and has used both.

 

 

Last I checked the AAMRAM didn't enter service until the 1990s

Again it depends, some F-16 units did not have AIM-120 until after 2000, some still can't carry it.

 

That is why I said you where wrong.

[gavagai]

Well, if we're going to pick the F-16A in order to fly it in the timeframe of the F-16C just so we can have the AMRAAM...well, to me that is a funny choice, but we all have our opinions.

 

Nothing can stop that. You can add SU-35 (the second one, not the prototype) to DCS and it would just mean SU-35 and F-15 spamming.

 

At least then it would be different aircraft on each side!

 

Anyway, bring on the F-16 in DCS.:)

[mvsgas]

I previously posted a 360 degree block 15C cockpit

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2679475&postcount=18

Note the Flight control panel on the left side, this is for analog system found on block 32 and below.

Edited August 29, 2016 by mvsgas

[FoxHoundELite]

with the JHMCS coming, i think the DCS-level Viper can benefit from it ;)

[Vitormouraa]

F-16 uses other system, the Scorpion (similar to A-10C Suite 7B+).

[Vitormouraa]

AFAIK, most F-16 use JHMCS, like F-15 and F/A-18.

 

I mean, the newer F-16s use the Scorpion. Not sure about the earlier ones

 

But this article says 100 JHMCS were destined for F-16s in 2003.

 

http://www.thalescomminc.com/userimages/Documents/Thales%20Visionix%20Scorpion%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

Edited August 29, 2016 by Vitormouraa

[SandMartin]

I think make f-16 block 52+ from mid-2000 (with aim-9x and hmcs) bad idea, becouse then red side will want modern version mig-29 from 2000', like mig-29m2 with rvv-md missle(upgraded aa-11). But mig-29m2 have thrust vectoring and many classifided things.. Etc..

 

We, russian cant understand, why ED give to blue side modern f-15c with 8 aim-120c7, but su-27 in the game havent it. If We have modern version of f-15, then red side must have modern version of su-27, like su-27sm or su-30, something, that can carry multiple R-77 missles.

Edited August 29, 2016 by SandMartin

[FoxHoundELite]

I think make f-16 block 52+ from mid-2000 (with aim-9x and hmcs) bad idea, becouse then red side will want modern version mig-29 from 2000', like mig-29m2 with rvv-md missle(upgraded aa-11). But mig-29m2 have thrust vectoring and many classifided things.. Etc..

 

We, russian cant understand, why ED give to blue side modern f-15c with 8 aim-120c7, but su-27 in the game havent it. If We have modern version of f-15, then red side must have modern version of su-27, like su-27sm or su-30, something, that can carry multiple R-77 missles.

 

because it's hard to get the infos and licenses from Russian manufacturers comrade :)

[gavagai]

because it's hard to get the infos and licenses from Russian manufacturers comrade :)

 

Mikoyan was nice enough to provide them for the Mig-29S in FC3, which carries the R-77?;)

 

I understand that a DCS level Russian Su-27 with R-77s might be feasible, but is there a strong argument against the FC3 Su-27 carrying them? (other than the wrong variant?)

[Darkbrotherhood7]

I think make f-16 block 52+ from mid-2000 (with aim-9x and hmcs) bad idea, becouse then red side will want modern version mig-29 from 2000', like mig-29m2 with rvv-md missle(upgraded aa-11). But mig-29m2 have thrust vectoring and many classifided things.. Etc..

 

We, russian cant understand, why ED give to blue side modern f-15c with 8 aim-120c7, but su-27 in the game havent it. If We have modern version of f-15, then red side must have modern version of su-27, like su-27sm or su-30, something, that can carry multiple R-77 missles.

 

Not only the "Red side", I also would love to have an Su-27SM, or even the MiG-29M2, however, the reason why ED is not creating something like the Su-27SM is likely because of restricted info, license, etc. So IMO there would be no problem with an F-16C/D B52+ to DCS.:)

 

P.S: AFAIK the DCS F-15C is currently using the AIM-120C5, not the AIM-120C7.;)

[mvsgas]

Is it me or is this a horrible commercial? :lol:

[mvsgas]

I can't tell which helmet has what display system

 

 

 

 

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Here it is, some ANG block 30 are using same helmet as A-10. seem like anyway.

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Edited August 30, 2016 by mvsgas

[SandMartin]

JHMCS helmet so agly!

 

I like classic more =)) something like HGU-33 - its so stylishly.

 

Edited August 30, 2016 by SandMartin