Ground threats

[Remarkymarkable]

Hi all, as I get sucked deeper into this SIM, I was reviewing ground threat documents in the

"DCS A10 C Guides, Tutorials and Reference Documents" site and found some huge discrepancies

in some of the documents. For example, in one list it shows the SA 11 "Buk" as having a maximum

altitude of 72,200' in another list only 39,400'. I found similarly huge discrepancies in the "Shilka", the

SA 3 "Neva", SA 8 "Osa" and the SA 18 "Igla".

There are discrepancies in both maximum altitudes and effective ranges. Is there a list out there

that is accurate? :helpsmilie:

Edited August 16, 2016 by Remarkymarkable

[VAF [136] Striker]

Please post a link to the site you're talking about so we can see what you're referring to.

 

But generally it's based on the year that the system was produced. The Buk in DCS world uses the 9M38 which has the range modeled at 39,000 feet. But that system was used for a short time in early 80's. The newest ones can go up to 80,000 feet. Look at the grid on this page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system This information isn't totally accurate but probably close enough. Also, look in the encyclopedia in DCS World. It has a list of the missile systems that are used.

 

The launching systems can be essentially the same but they upgrade the missiles themselves over time. Also, each launcher in the DCS World encyclopedia should have or most of them have a reference to what missile variant is being modeled. For example the S-300 lists the 5V55R which has a range of 23-24 miles. The Buk shows the 9M38M1 but I have noticed some slight differences in the model number at times. But overall the missile should cross reference to the one listed in the general era of use.

 

Keep in mind that some of the systems in DCS World are based on mid 70's to mid 80's technology. The newer 5V55U for the S-300 can reach out to 93 miles and the 40N6 to 250 miles, both of which are obviously not modeled in DCS World. I always fall back to the in DCS World encyclopedia because the missiles modeled in there are the ones that you're facing in the sim.

Edited August 16, 2016 by 75th-VFS-Striker

[Remarkymarkable]

http://en.wiki.eagle.ru/wiki/DCS_A-10C_Guides,_Tutorials_and_Reference_Documents

 

Hi Striker, Thanks for your informative reply. The first list is located under "Reference

Documents" Titled " SAM list and their specs" posted by "roob". The second is located under

"Weapon Employment" titled " RWR Threat reference cards" posted by "Toby23"

[VAF [136] Striker]

I made a mistake. I had to look at my recent Tacview file but the Buk in DCSW uses the 9M38M1 which has a max altitude of 72,000 ft so Toby23's document is correct and the other is incorrect. I'm not sure about the range on the Shilka. I've seen some at 4,900 and some at 7,900. Maybe someone else can verify that one.

 

It can be difficult to get the correct information and a lot of it wasn't available until recently so I'm sure that it was easy to get them confused. ED spent a lot of time researching the systems though so I would suggest going back to the DCSW encyclopedia every time and cross reference the model number if available with real world data.

 

Bottom line though: DON'T FLY OVER RADAR SAMS'S IN THE A-10C!!!!:smilewink:

Edited August 16, 2016 by 75th-VFS-Striker

[Remarkymarkable]

Got it, thanks again

[Wrecking Crew]

1. Don't fly over Red sh!t. :) Striker

 

2. Stay more than 6,000' to be above the AAA.

 

3. Stay above 18,000' and MANPADS won't get you, but refer to #1.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Wrecking Crew