RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 For those of you that may be in the "KNOW". Can a FAC (A) plan and execute as a single ship? I.E. Shows up on sta single ship. Employ other CAS assets to achieve the ground force commanders intent. OR. Do FAC (A) ALWAYS plan and execute as at least a pair of ships? This will help me with future mission planning. Thanks for your time. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Like everything else, it depends. Look into Misty Squadrons in Vietnam. http://mistyvietnam.com/ other reading material. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dtic.mil%2Fdtic%2Ftr%2Ffulltext%2Fu2%2Fa508651.pdf http://www.luke.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/3070/Article/358891/luke-trained-warriors-direct-fight-while-in-flight.aspx JDc5NoQAD_A To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Looks like a mix of A-10 and F-16 video. Edited October 17, 2016 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Thanks for that. My question from here on in is how he plans for mutual support or assess intel and stays where presumed safe until CAS coming station can be that mutual support. Thanks for the supporting documents and RIFLE is my favorite callsign. That guy with great video editing is a BOSS! 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Honestly, I do not know. If you read information about Misty squadrons and compare to some of the new techniques used in part seven of the second video I posted you can see some of the differences. Back then single aircraft with two pilots would fly at around 5000 feet and 500 knots, using a hand held camera and Mk1 eye ball to try to balance being able to see targets and stay away from AAA. Now it seems a pair of aircraft fly together at 15000 to 20000 feet using sensors like TGP and JHMCS to track and identify targets. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Link to Google doc THE HISTORY OF THE AIRBORNE FORWARD AIR CONTROLLER IN VIETNAM by ANDREW R. WALTON, LCDR, USN To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) IIRC correctly from the book A10s over Kosovo (available online here: http://aupress.maxwell.af.mil/digital/pdf/book/b_0090_haave_haun_a10s_over_kosovo.pdf) OA-10 FAC(A) always flew in pairs with the lead aircraft beeing the FAC(A) and the wingman keeping an eye out for threats and supporting where necessary. Edited October 17, 2016 by QuiGon 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Typically a single ship where the threat environment permits as it allows the FAC(A) to be more able to manoeuvre especially at low level and reduces workload a bit (no wingman to manage). If there is a significant air threat or a surface threat that can't be avoided then yes a two-ship would be flown. However only the lead would necessarily be a qualified FAC(A). Much of the mutual support for a FAC(A) comes from the strikers they are employing, which will be in close proximity and if the threat is high the FAC never need actually enter the WEZ of the threat(s) in question. Another option is for two FAC(A)s to ingress together as a two ship and then split to cover their respective kill boxes etc. and then egress together. Which gives mutual support on those phases of the Flight. Edited October 17, 2016 by Eddie Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Awesome Eddie that sums it up. Threat area dependant. Ill just get the commander to accept the risk in medium threat areas. Thanks ALL 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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