Mission F-5E Mission - Hercules, what are we supposed to do?

[Redglyph]

I'm not sure what to do with this mission, there is very little indication where to intercept the Hercules, and finally we're told not to intercept it (?).

 

There are Russian instructions or indications, probably not translated:

["DictKey_ActionText_152"] = "Dodge11, Колхи. Без визуального или радарного контакта выдерживать высоту ниже цели на 1000 футов. ",

 

Is the point of the mission only about navigation? It seems to be nice, but we're told to get back to base on a radial, I've done it and went right above the airport, still I didn't get any further instruction. Am I supposed to simply land? I did it, but still no instruction.

 

This mission is just .. vague. Things seem to happen but we're left in the dark - no pun intended, almost ;)

[Redglyph]

I suppose part of the answer lies in this indication:

 

["DictKey_ActionText_125"] = "Dodge 11, Wizard. Target is at a heading of 345°."

 

Probably what the author meant was that the target was heading 345°, instead of being at a heading of 345°. Makes quite a difference, and so the idea is not to change direction despite the indications but continue the original route, which may feel counter-intuitive.

[PurdueKev]

I'm not sure what to do with this mission, there is very little indication where to intercept the Hercules, and finally we're told not to intercept it (?).

 

There are Russian instructions or indications, probably not translated:

["DictKey_ActionText_152"] = "Dodge11, Колхи. Без визуального или радарного контакта выдерживать высоту ниже цели на 1000 футов. ",

 

Is the point of the mission only about navigation? It seems to be nice, but we're told to get back to base on a radial, I've done it and went right above the airport, still I didn't get any further instruction. Am I supposed to simply land? I did it, but still no instruction.

 

This mission is just .. vague. Things seem to happen but we're left in the dark - no pun intended, almost ;)

 

I am wondering the same thing. Is there a point to this mission? How do you know you either have or have not accomplished the mission goals? I turn to 345 as well, and there is nothing there. Meanwhile when you request picture, you get a totally different instruction that there is a target in a different direction. Are you supposed to follow the bogey dope (which is NOT 345 degrees), or the scripted (and conflicting) instruction from Wizard in the upper right corner?

 

And of course since you are supposed to have your radar off, you can't try find the Hercules yourself... :noexpression:

 

This is the first of the F-5E included missions that I have tried - is this one just a dud? (I love this aircraft, so would love some decent missions to go with it... Not sure I am ready yet for the BFM campaign though I purchased it)

[Redglyph]

I am wondering the same thing. Is there a point to this mission? How do you know you either have or have not accomplished the mission goals? I turn to 345 as well, and there is nothing there. Meanwhile when you request picture, you get a totally different instruction that there is a target in a different direction. Are you supposed to follow the bogey dope (which is NOT 345 degrees), or the scripted (and conflicting) instruction from Wizard in the upper right corner?

 

And of course since you are supposed to have your radar off, you can't try find the Hercules yourself... :noexpression:

Right, I completely forgot about this mission. Not sure since I never got any reply, one of the groups given by the AWACS should be the C-130, it must be possible to estimate which one from the current position.

 

EDIT: I've tried again, to make sure. Yes, just take the planned route, then listen to the AWACS to get directions (you have to filter them, there are multiple enemies). When a text appears and tells the "aircraft is at 345", you have to read "the aircraft is heading 345" instead. But as previously, the return journey is a mystery, only the initial direction is given then nothing more; perhaps there's no further indication to expect. It seems to work pretty well like that, in any case, the result is 100. :)

 

This is the first of the F-5E included missions that I have tried - is this one just a dud? (I love this aircraft, so would love some decent missions to go with it... Not sure I am ready yet for the BFM campaign though I purchased it)

 

The first mission of the BFM campaign (after the intro) is a simple flight, so you could give it a go. As long as you can do the start-up procedure, take off, land, and use the TACAN for navigation you should be fine. :)

 

A campaign with the F-5 would be awesome, indeed! The BFM is interesting but they're basically all the same mission with different adversaries, and the pilot has to guess which method is best to defeat them but that's it. Something more varied would be great, that'll probably come at some point.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Redglyph

[PurdueKev]

Right, I completely forgot about this mission. Not sure since I never got any reply, one of the groups given by the AWACS should be the C-130, it must be possible to estimate which one from the current position.

 

EDIT: I've tried again, to make sure. Yes, just take the planned route, then listen to the AWACS to get directions (you have to filter them, there are multiple enemies). When a text appears and tells the "aircraft is at 345", you have to read "the aircraft is heading 345" instead. But as previously, the return journey is a mystery, only the initial direction is given then nothing more; perhaps there's no further indication to expect. It seems to work pretty well like that, in any case, the result is 100. :)

 

 

 

The first mission of the BFM campaign (after the intro) is a simple flight, so you could give it a go. As long as you can do the start-up procedure, take off, land, and use the TACAN for navigation you should be fine. :)

 

A campaign with the F-5 would be awesome, indeed! The BFM is interesting but they're basically all the same mission with different adversaries, and the pilot has to guess which method is best to defeat them but that's it. Something more varied would be great, that'll probably come at some point.

 

Yup, I tried Hercules again and followed the Bogey Dope calls instead of that first misleading "345" instruction. Awacs was able to help locate the C130 then and complete the mission. I did also get an instruction to return to base as well and let the other flights take care of the MIGs, but nearly ran out of fuel before landing :doh:

 

I have ventured to the first practice mission in the BFM campaign (the one against the other F-5's). Between that and now being able to defeat the F-14 consistently in the Instant Action mission, I feel like I can try this campaign now. A Red Flag campaign with the F-5 (like the one with the F-15, but as a Red Force Aggressor) would be very nice, or perhaps a Caucasus campaign with ground attack thrown in.

Edited February 25, 2017 by PurdueKev

[Redglyph]

Yup, I tried Hercules again and followed the Bogey Dope calls instead of that first misleading "345" instruction. Awacs was able to help locate the C130 then and complete the mission. I did also get an instruction to return to base as well and let the other flights take care of the MIGs, but nearly ran out of fuel before landing :doh:

Nice to hear :)

I have ventured to the first practice mission in the BFM campaign (the one against the other F-5's). Between that and now being able to defeat the F-14 consistently in the Instant Action mission, I feel like I can try this campaign now. A Red Flag campaign with the F-5 (like the one with the F-15, but as a Red Force Aggressor) would be very nice, or perhaps a Caucasus campaign with ground attack thrown in.

That'd be nice, in the road map there is a "F-5E Air Combat Maneuvering Campaign" which seems to be the F-5 counterpart of Sabre's A-10C training campaign.

[nessuno0505]

I resume this topic since I've tried this mission in 2.5.1.

If I go with a heading of 345 I can't find nothing.

Assuming "heading 345" means C-130 is crossing my path, I continue on my route but still I can't intercept the Hercules. Nevertheless, at a certain point they tell me that C-130 has been destroyed and mission is accomplished, I can return home. So I navigate according to TACAN instructions and land back home. If I review the mission with Tacview, I can see two wingmen f-5 intercepting the Hercules. And so I wonder... what is the point of this mission? If I simply navigate the route assigned, someone else always manage to shoot the C-130. Is this a bug or something intended?

[imacken]

There is a lot of confusion with this mission. The 345 is the direction the C-130 is heading, and not a bearing from you.

You might (or might not!) find this thread useful from post #11 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=203771&page=2

[Redglyph]

Or 3 posts above here ;) But apparently there are new problems...

 

Anyway, if Belsimtek wanted to fix this mission, they'd have done so one year ago, I'd just skip it and check missions and the small campaign made by users (in the "user file" section, check both campaigns and single missions).

[nessuno0505]

Yes, I've got that 345 is C-130 heading, and since I fly on 250 radial, the Hercules is in front of me, coming from my left (tacview file can confirm this). But it seems to me a bit far away to reach it when AWACS give me that hint, and anyway someone else manages to shoot it down, so what's the point? Apparently new problems? Anyway, I'll take a look at the user file section, in order to find some other f-5 mission, thanks for the advice.

[imacken]

I can’t really remember all the details, but I succeeded twice in that mission, so it is obviously possible!

[gnouze]

Hi

I just flew this mission yesterday in 2.5.1 and i succeded even though others did kill the c-130 while it was still far away from me , i guess (just after i turned to heading 022). I just flew more or less along the awacs and its escorting F-5, following the flight plan indicated in the briefing, and came home.

So ‘mission sucess’ yes, but no kill, no fun.

 

 

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[MadDog-IC]

Hi

I just flew this mission yesterday in 2.5.1 and i succeded even though others did kill the c-130 while it was still far away from me , i guess (just after i turned to heading 022). I just flew more or less along the awacs and its escorting F-5, following the flight plan indicated in the briefing, and came home.

So ‘mission sucess’ yes, but no kill, no fun.

 

I had a look at some of the other F-5e missions the other day, and I must say that the way they play out in my testing, didn't make any sense or even work as advertised. I was using the AI to fly as me to see how it went and the AI F-5e didn't engage anything, just fly out, had a look and returned to land. I did notice they used a lot of advanced waypoint commands to push commands, harder to follow on what aircraft would be doing, compared to simple triggers. Left fixing them, due to time involved to work them out.

 

Regards, Ian.

[imacken]

Hi

I just flew this mission yesterday in 2.5.1 and i succeded even though others did kill the c-130 while it was still far away from me , i guess (just after i turned to heading 022). I just flew more or less along the awacs and its escorting F-5, following the flight plan indicated in the briefing, and came home.

So ‘mission sucess’ yes, but no kill, no fun.

 

 

Envoyé de mon iPad en utilisant Tapatalk

 

Ok. so I tried this mission again today, and succeeded in downing the C-130 and returning to base. (Although I had a slightly heavy landing and broke the rear wheels!)

 

All I do is take the 250 radial at 30,000, ignore the 345 message as it seems irrelevant, eventually come across the C-130 at around 75 miles from Kolkhi, down it with a missile and return to base.

 

One thing that got me initially on this mission was that I forgot to turn on the external fuel tank, and wondered why I was running out of fuel!

[ontheroadtonull]

Does anyone else have issues getting the AWACS to respond to radio calls in this mission? No matter what the game settings (radio assist, simple communication) the AWACS doesn't respond any time I ask it for anything.