About the cyclic command, is it not too soft ?

[Skulleader]

Hello guys,

 

I have a question concerning the Warthog HOTAS, is it a good stick for the cyclic command ?

For the KA-50, Mi-8 and Gazelle no problem but with Huey I find this stick really loud or center position too much powerful.

Maybe because the Huey is not as nervous (reaction) other helicopters of DCS, I find the Huey really soft.

Please for users of Huey please can you share your settings for the Huey ?

 

A great thanks in advance, Skull.

[Quadg]

i have taken the return spring out of my warthog which has made it much better for the huey.

 

i cant use an extension because of my sitting position. i would need to change everything for that.

 

with no return spring i no longer use trim.

 

a video with the control indicator. warthog with no springs.

 

 

(the couple of wobbles you see are actually caused by my anti torque pedals and not the cyclic. if i make my crosswinds too soft, then i snap the tail off the su-27 just trying to centre the ball. i really need to change it between flights. make the pedals as soft as the stick. as its easy on the crosswinds..)

Edited May 24, 2017 by Quadg

[DeJohn]

The Warthog is a great piece of equipment and personally (considering its cost) I don't want to modify the internals. So for those like myself I offer this tip for using it (to get around the issue with the centering spring).

 

 

I like to fly with the 'hands always on controls approach', it adds to the immersion by having to always control the aircraft. For those who don't have or can't use an extension, getting out of and/or hovering near the center spot can seem heavy at times and cause over controlling. To get around this issue I trim the aircraft a little forward (or nose heavy if you like). In the Uh-1 this is done with the trimmer function, in fixed wing aircraft its done with the trim tabs. What this does is cause you to always have a slight back pressure on the control stick, keeping you out of that center spot when you don't want or need to be there and allowing small smooth movements (necessary in the UH-1) especially when in or entering a hover. If the point in the flight comes where aggressive control movements are necessary, getting thru or past the center point is not an issue.

 

 

hope this tip helps, DeJohn

[Quadg]

I don't disagree with you at all Dejohn. i learned the basics and got safe trimming. and i have even stood in your position defending trimming over removing the spring :) somewhere on here.

 

but i reached a point where i stopped getting better.

and it drove me nuts.

then i took the spring out. and im still getting better.

humble pie consumed :)

when i stop.

then i will shell out for a full length spring less Huey clone stick

 

getting rid of the immersion breaking trim model was a good thing :)

 

skullleader sounded like he had hit such a hurdle. although im not sure if its the same hurdle :)

[DeJohn]

Quadg;

 

 

If my post sounded like I was scolding you or anyone else for removing the spring or inferred you didn't know how to use trim, I apologize, that was not my intent. I was only describing my view on the problem at hand.

 

 

We both understood the problem from Skull's post. Trouble with the centering spring when flying the Uh-1. The two of us choose different approaches to a solution, neither of which are right nor wrong, just different. That is the beauty of the community, to share ideas and our solutions.

[Sharkku]

I'm one who removed the spring of my HOTAS Warthog, never regretted it. But friends who try my setup are a little surprised at first by the soft feeling of it. :D

[FragBum]

As an option to modifying an expensive stick (although no centre detent is awesome) but the Logitech 3D pro is cheap so you can try it and decide maybe.

 

I use this on both the Huey and Gazelle having no cantre detent takes a bit of getting used to but it's how at least a R44 feels well maybe just a little resistance to movement not a detent just a little resistance might be closer.

 

Link Here to modifying the Logitech

 

As for Huey to me yes it has mass so some times a little nudge of the cyclic in the direction you want to correct or move, I do not use the trim function (I might consider trim on long flights but that's what changing seats and engaging the sight "M" is for isnt it. ;)

 

As for no centre detent all I can say is yes it's great and there is the extra bit of fine control around where the detent mech simply wouldn't let you use especially for the Gazelle.

 

The draw back is you could take your hand off the cyclic to quickly access something by setting the aircraft attitude so it would hold okay for a short time, you can't do that anymore.

 

I have and extension of about 200mm 8inch from the gimbal and no curves or saturation and it feels great for Huey, Gazelle and the TF51D.

 

HTH

Edited May 28, 2017 by FragBum
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