Storm.i Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Ok, I give up ;), your right, duh. We'll stay below them from now on. To have him loose the lock is quite hard I guess, he can't do it to us either, well, maybe the AI isn't that smart, but you guys are. Say the eagle launches a Sparrow, the thing to do is obvious that you have to fire back to get him lose his lock. If you consider both missiles travel at about the same speed, his sparrow will be the first to have a chance to kill. What if you fired an ER (don't know if it's possible to fire a sparrow out of range of the ET), then the F-15 can just turn left/right and have the sparrow kill you. You're dead, the ER won't go anywhere anymore, he wins... or is that a bit pessimistic? Please don't say: Shoot first, because that is obvious, and won't solve the problem if he manages to shoot first. Thanks again and again for the great help, Yours, Sven ps: sorry for keep coming with new questions ;)
Ironhand Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 ...Say the eagle launches a Sparrow, the thing to do is obvious that you have to fire back to get him lose his lock. If you consider both missiles travel at about the same speed, his sparrow will be the first to have a chance to kill... Not if you F-Pole properly. Keep your nose pointing as far away from him as you can without losing your own lock. Bob up and down (your aircraft not your head). Do anything you can to make his missile fly a longer, more convoluted, track than yours does. If you succeed, yours will reach him first because your missile will have less distance to travel and will have lost less speed due to excessive maneuvering. Either that or he will have to respect your missile and turn completely away first anyway. Regardless, you're still alive. EDIT: I should add that, while you're doing all this, you should also be throwing arm loads of chaff out the window and praying as fervently as possible. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Storm.i Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 everything clear, thanks for the help once again. Sorry for stealing your toppic Aero. Yours, Sven
TucksonSonny Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Ok, I give up ;), your right, duh. We'll stay below them from now on. To have him loose the lock is quite hard I guess, he can't do it to us either, well, maybe the AI isn't that smart, but you guys are. Say the eagle launches a Sparrow, the thing to do is obvious that you have to fire back to get him lose his lock. If you consider both missiles travel at about the same speed, his sparrow will be the first to have a chance to kill. What if you fired an ER (don't know if it's possible to fire a sparrow out of range of the ET), then the F-15 can just turn left/right and have the sparrow kill you. You're dead, the ER won't go anywhere anymore, he wins... or is that a bit pessimistic? Please don't say: Shoot first, because that is obvious, and won't solve the problem if he manages to shoot first. Thanks again and again for the great help, Yours, Sven ps: sorry for keep coming with new questions ;) Also very important and not mentioned yet in this thread is the launch speed of your missile (as fast as possible). Also after launching your missile(s) you need to slow down a little bit while F-poling (not too slow) but enough to give your missile(s) the time to reach the target while keeping the target lock in your hud. Of course this is tricky and depends also on the speed of the bandit. DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
TucksonSonny Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Yeah, we know, but thanks anyway. In that case I will keep further tricks/ techniques (also not mentioned) for myself. Excuse me now. I am going to pawn a couple of fag-noobs on HL :D DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Aeroscout Posted March 4, 2007 Author Posted March 4, 2007 everything clear, thanks for the help once again. Sorry for stealing your toppic Aero. Yours, Sven No problem! I hope it helped you. :smilewink: DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Storm.i Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 It definelity helped, last few tries were a big succes, seems we can go for 2vs 3 and later on to the online world ;)
Aeroscout Posted March 4, 2007 Author Posted March 4, 2007 Yup, thats wher i hope to be proficient. Your lucky you can practice with someone. Everyone I know thinks flight simulators are stupid. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
skinners Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Yup, thats wher i hope to be proficient. Your lucky you can practice with someone. Everyone I know thinks flight simulators are stupid. Same here. Let me know if you are willing to some co-op. P5b-E rev 1.0; E6600@3GHz; Tuniq 120; Kingston Hyperion 2GB; Gigabyte 7600GT Silent Pipe II; WD Raptor 150GB; Vantec 500W PS
Aeroscout Posted March 12, 2007 Author Posted March 12, 2007 sure, any time, just let me know. It's easier to join some server on Hyperlobby and play there. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
skinners Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 sure, any time, just let me know. It's easier to join some server on Hyperlobby and play there. It's a start. Later on we might run some scenarios if the ping rates serve us well. P5b-E rev 1.0; E6600@3GHz; Tuniq 120; Kingston Hyperion 2GB; Gigabyte 7600GT Silent Pipe II; WD Raptor 150GB; Vantec 500W PS
skinners Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 Yup, thats wher i hope to be proficient. Your lucky you can practice with someone. Everyone I know thinks flight simulators are stupid. Non-combat tend to be boring after a short while. Anyway I'm on HL. P5b-E rev 1.0; E6600@3GHz; Tuniq 120; Kingston Hyperion 2GB; Gigabyte 7600GT Silent Pipe II; WD Raptor 150GB; Vantec 500W PS
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