And while you are waiting for BS

[Fish]

Here's a little pit movie from EECH.

 

EECH TIR Movie

 

This sim might keep you from cold turkey, while you wait on Black Shark.

You will get a start here.

 

http://www.eechcentral.com/

[Greenies]

I have never tried playing with a trackIR, but I just have to admit that it looks bloody terrific. In this video it really seems like you're actually sitting in the cockpit looking around. Brilliant!

 

Too bad the trackIR is so darn expensive.

[Aeroscout]

Oh, you should get it. I'ts worth every penny.

[Greenies]

I remember when it was released, because I bought it in early 2000. It was the best heli-sim when it arrived, and the dynamic campaign system really worked well. Of course, it was also a plus that it worked like a charm in multiplayer mode as well. To fly a dynamic campaign with a friend is awesome, and not many flight-sims have that feature.

 

I tried EECH with the mods maybe 6-8 months ago, and I was impressed with the graphics update that the mod team has produced. Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time for gaming this last year, since I am working out of town every week, and am home only during the weekends. RL can be such a pain in the arse sometimes :)

[geno409]

Can this game be played on xp,I want to buy it but i saw where it is for mac.

[Greenies]

Yes, I played it on XP, so it works great on that operating system. You should check out the "official" MOD page if you want to learn more about the modded version of this game. You have to own the original game in order to install all the mod updates.

 

Here's the page I mentioned:

 

http://www.eechcentral.com

[Greenies]

Oh, you should get it. I'ts worth every penny.

 

I was about to order the TrackIR4, but there's an error on the page where I'm supposed to choose the shipping method. Maybe that's a sign from up above that I shouldn't order it? :-)

 

I'll try again later.

 

What do I have to do when I install the TrackIR? Does it work properly once I connect it to my PC and start it up, or do I have to configure it?

[Ross-impress]

Hi, install software, plugin trackir, everything works fine. The sensivity is your choice. The thing you have tothink about is, the first two or three days, it's just like you will be seasick, but after that point, wow, i will never fly without. Some guys haven't the problem with that, maybe some have different brains :doh:

 

Grtz....Ross....

[Alfa]

I was about to order the TrackIR4, but there's an error on the page where I'm supposed to choose the shipping method. Maybe that's a sign from up above that I shouldn't order it? :-)

 

I'll try again later.

 

What do I have to do when I install the TrackIR? Does it work properly once I connect it to my PC and start it up, or do I have to configure it?

 

What Ross said :) .

 

Be sure to install the software first and only then plug in the device.

 

You don't have to configure anything for it to work(if the game supports it), but as Ross mentioned, it can take a little while to get used to the sensation and to begin with it is a good idea to make yourself a "calm" profile with some big dead zones.....thats what I found anyway.

[Aeroscout]

ermm... not the big dead zones. I didn't like that. make the sensitivity linear and put about 60% smoothing on it.

[Greenies]

Thank you for all the tips. I'll be sure to remember them if or when I get a TrackIR myself. If I manage to order one, I'm certain it will take several weeks for it to be sent from the US to Norway. Raise your hands if you love the good ol' snail mail!

 

By the way, I have only been seasick once in my 32 years on this planet (and I have spent some of that time at sea), so I don't expect that to be a problem for me. I suppose I'm one of those with a different brain ;)

[VMFA-Blaze]

What Ross said :) .

 

Be sure to install the software first and only then plug in the device.

 

You don't have to configure anything for it to work(if the game supports it), but as Ross mentioned, it can take a little while to get used to the sensation and to begin with it is a good idea to make yourself a "calm" profile with some big dead zones.....thats what I found anyway.

 

I was having issues with the screen jittering when I looked down ... And this was going on for a really long time... I tried setting dead zones and what ever, but nothing seemed to work.... But then one of the guy's suggested that I should set the light filters down and this seems to have fixed the issue ... I think its best to have your light source placed behind the system.. That way the detectors will only see reflections from TIR reflectors or LED's ..

 

 

~S~

 

Blaze

[Fish]

What Ross said :) .

 

....................it is a good idea to make yourself a "calm" profile with some big dead zones.....thats what I found anyway.

 

 

To get the effects u see in the movie, you need no deadszones,(with a centering button easily accessible from your hotas, ie without looking down) that way its very natural movement.

 

But like Ross said, start gently. I suggest dont enable 6DOF, just activate yaw and pitch (left right, up down) and get used to it gently. Also spend some time in the pit, without the complilcation of flight. If you have lockon, or IL2, you can replay a flight using it, that way ur like a spectator.

 

And here's the place i got mine FYI. Dident take that long cause they ship from the UK to Europe. eDimensional .

U might find it more convenient that Natural point

[Alfa]

... I think its best to have your light source placed behind the system.. That way the detectors will only see reflections from TIR reflectors or LED's ..

 

Yes thats a good point as well - I also spent some time re-arranging light sources near my system to avoid interference.

[Alfa]

To get the effects u see in the movie, you need no deadszones,(with a centering button easily accessible from your hotas, ie without looking down) that way its very natural movement.

 

Yes but thats not the point :) . Many people have problems getting used to a head tracking device as such because they have a habit of moving around(head and body) while playing :) .

 

Setting large dead zones helps in that regard and provides a more comfortable sensation until you get used to a more calm "head posture" while playing - that was my experience anyway.

[Prophet]

The disable key is your friend :D

 

Its amazing, its not like a joystick where you usually stick with the curves you set. With the TIR for the first few months I was updating em.

 

You get used to the needed head posture as Alfa says.

[Fish]

Yes but thats not the point :) . Many people have problems getting used to a head tracking device as such because they have a habit of moving around(head and body) while playing :) .

 

Setting large dead zones helps in that regard and provides a more comfortable sensation until you get used to a more calm "head posture" while playing - that was my experience anyway.

 

Well you know the old saying doctors differ etc.........

 

Ive posted this before on this subject, but can't remember which forum. I (like Aeroscout) work with fairly flat profiles, and a 'centering' button always to hand on my hotas. (the on off button is actually pretty useless to me).

 

Yes my 'comfortable position' changes all the time, sometimes i need to stretch on the chair, sometime i sit upright, sometimes closer, and somtimes i roll m chair in and 'slouch' in it. And all in the same flight! And i dont reset each time i move. I just do it when i need it. Most time the view will be a little off center, but no matter, once i can see what i want around me.

 

And the icing on the cake for no deadzones, is the 'center' position can now be moved. So if your doing a landing with 6dof, you can 'sit up' and look more over the canopy. This by just dropping you position, hit the re-center key, then back to normal, and woolaaaaa you view is now raised a little. Similarly if much of you work (LBG delivery or bVR for example) is in the pit, you can set it so you 'center' position is looking more at the mfds.

 

Ive been with TIR for a number of years, (until i seen the light... :) )and like most used deadbands for a couple of years. The reason being that we all move to TIR from the normal 2d or panning 3d (with a pan reset key) and get very comfortable with the pit being 'exactly' in the center of the screen' when we are looking forward. Thats fine if your making a video, or someone else is watching you fly. But it really is not that important if the 3d pit is well implemented in the sim. (im not talking about major shifts from the center position here. Check out the A2A fuel in this video , to see what i mean. Position is off center a little but refuelling goes smoothly...)

 

I know pilots are fairly well strapped in to their jets, particularly fighters, but they also need some freedom of movement, as can be seen when they can look over their shouder. This is how TIR shoud be... IMHO.

 

Try it that way for a while. I'll be surprised if u change back to deadzones when you do..

[Alfa]

Try it that way for a while. I'll be surprised if u change back to deadzones when you do..

 

You misunderstood my point Fish. I am not using dead zones at all....and haven't for quite awhile ;)

 

However, when I first got my TrackIR I didn't like it one bit and found myself disabling it all the time - setting large dead zones was the intermediate step that helped me to get used to it.

 

I remember reading through a thread(on the Ubi forum IIRC) in which some people were so put off by the immedeate sensation of TrackIR that they went and returned their device prematurely......because they couldn't deal with the view shifting at the sligthest head movement. It is something you need to get used to and the center hotkey does not change that - it just provides a quick way of "snapping" back to centered view.

[Fish]

You misunderstood my point Fish.

 

I did indeed misunderstand. Your point is well made Alfa. Anything which helps wean beginners onto TIR is good. I know several 'experienced' virtual pilots, who have the device, but do not use it or use it to its potential.

[Ross-impress]

 

However, when I first got my TrackIR I didn't like it one bit and found myself disabling it all the time - setting large dead zones was the intermediate step that helped me to get used to it.

 

I remember reading through a thread(on the Ubi forum IIRC) in which some people were so put off by the immedeate sensation of TrackIR that they went and returned their device prematurely......because they couldn't deal with the view shifting at the sligthest head movement. It is something you need to get used to and the center hotkey does not change that - it just provides a quick way of "snapping" back to centered view.

 

Same for me, starting with a "BIG" deadzone, after one day i would stop flying with the trackir, but some members told me, you have to go further with it, afther a while everything will be come better, so i did. So the result is; i can't anymore flying without trackir, and i don't use any deadzone at all, the only thing i changed is the Z aks, a bit moving forward or backward, with deadzone is better to look fast to my instruments..

 

Grtz...Ross....

[Aeroscout]

I hate curves period. I only have one on my stick right now because it hepls me aim the cannon better. other wise, I hate it. i'll just have to get used to it. I dont have one on my TIR.

[Greenies]

Once again I say thank you for all the great advice.

 

For your information, I just placed an order with eDimensional for a TrackIR 4 Pro. Oh boy, am I excited now! eDimensional charged me 20 dollars less than naturalpoint, AND a caps was included. Great!

 

I was told that the TrackIR should arrive in 1-3 days, so I hope I will be holding it in my shivering hands by the time the weekend gets here. Hmm, why do I suddenly start humming to that old Kylie Minogue song "I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky...?" :megalol:

[Aeroscout]

Cool. You'll like it alot. JUust give it a week to get used to, but by then, it will become as natural as a joystick.

 

One piece of advice. You shouldn't try to contionousally try to move your head to try to look arround. Instead, pretend to "look arround' as if you were actually in the cockpit. this really helped me out alot. Again, it takes practice, but it will eventually become natural.

[Fish]

.................eDimensional charged me 20 dollars less than naturalpoint...

 

Top up your $20, and order Armed Assault here TIR in a FPS is awesome, and the game is excellent.

[VMFA-Blaze]

Top up your $20, and order Armed Assault here TIR in a FPS is awesome, and the game is excellent.

 

It really looks to me like there are actually some flyable Choppers in this one...

 

Is that true or am I imaginating things again...:smilewink:

 

~S~

 

Blaze