Force_Feedback Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 This mig-29K model has a strange missile mounted on it, seems like a bigger R-73 with extra fins (the one of the outer left pylon). Any ideas on wether this is some new Russian IR missile, or a modeling error by the model maker? Or could this be intentional disinformation? http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/v/Display_Stalls/Foreign_Vendor/P1020500.jpg.html http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/v/Display_Stalls/Foreign_Vendor/P1020502.jpg.html http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/v/Display_Stalls/mig29k.jpg.html Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
GGTharos Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Is that the R-74 mock-up? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted March 28, 2007 Author Posted March 28, 2007 Wasn't the R-74 the R-73 with longer burn motor and 90 deg off bore designator, the one with a 'bulge' in the front transparency? This may be a glimpse of the 'next-gen' replacement of the R-73, but more likely some early idea released as a diversion. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
GGTharos Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Well, R-74 was an experimental missile, this might be its new form :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Interesting... 90 degrees off boresite... but fireing it like that would cost the missile so much energy, so hence the longer burn time, but still, could a missile really turn that tight? DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
GGTharos Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Easily. Demonstrated on AIM-9X live firings, video available on patrick's website. Google it and search it on that site :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Oh, ya, i forgot about the thrust vectoring engins. Ya, I'll check it out. EDIT: Wow, thats insane! When are we going to be puting that into mass production for the military? DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Force_Feedback Posted March 29, 2007 Author Posted March 29, 2007 No, it's not the R-74, I want to know what it is. I suspect misinformation (some kitbashed R-73 model), or it's some ultra unstable control scheme. This was probably asked before, but I can't find anything on Google about this :( It's probably either the K-30, Izdeliye 300 or K-MD some next-gen IR missile with FPA seeker not to become available until 2013, but then again, I might be wrong, as it looks to be a heavily modified R-73 Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
GGTharos Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 It's already in mass production and being put on aircraft, along with JHCMS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kuky Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 damn those are some awsome models... I'd love that MiG-21 (in the background in 3rd photo on right side) in my room :D PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
hitman Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 It looks like a 1/2 scale Mig-29...made of plastic. But hey...I wasnt there so I dont know. Looks pretty sweet. :)
Aeroscout Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 It does look half size. and the dummy inside looks kinda silly... DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Trident Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 You know, I've looked at that photo so many times, and never noticed! Great eye FF :) Display models like this one need to be taken with a large grain of salt, especially at AeroIndia which always seems to have more than its share of terribly inaccurate workmanship. However this one is remarkably good otherwise and was displayed at the MiG booth AFAIK, so it is intriguing...
Alfa_Kilo Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 I wonder what pod it carries under the right outboard station...
Trident Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Probably an ECM pod such as the MSP-418K or an Israeli Elta jammer.
Alfa Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 You know, I've looked at that photo so many times, and never noticed! Great eye FF :) Display models like this one need to be taken with a large grain of salt, especially at AeroIndia which always seems to have more than its share of terribly inaccurate workmanship. However this one is remarkably good otherwise and was displayed at the MiG booth AFAIK, so it is intriguing... If you look closer, you will also notice that it isn't a MiG-29K at all ;) JJ
Force_Feedback Posted March 30, 2007 Author Posted March 30, 2007 It's the more advanced UB version, with improved combat capibility, blah blah BTW, the 1990-ies mig-29K (912) had an impressive cockpit, 2 mfds, AoA indicator that went up to 35 degrees (good thing manoeuvrability wise). Maybe that KUB was the Indian one, maybe it's some future indigenous IR missile? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Alfa Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 It's the more advanced UB version, with improved combat capibility, blah blah It is the two-seat MiG-29KUB version yes(although they apparently forgot to put in the second seat/pilot), but it is not more advanced - system wise it is identical to the single-seater. BTW, the 1990-ies mig-29K (912) had an impressive cockpit, 2 mfds, AoA indicator that went up to 35 degrees (good thing manoeuvrability wise). The (312) :) . Maybe that KUB was the Indian one, maybe it's some future indigenous IR missile? It would have to be - there is only an "Indian" one :) . I don't know about the missile though. JJ
Alfa_Kilo Posted March 31, 2007 Posted March 31, 2007 It is the two-seat MiG-29KUB version yes(although they apparently forgot to put in the second seat/pilot), but it is not more advanced - system wise it is identical to the single-seater. The (312) :) . It would have to be - there is only an "Indian" one :) . I don't know about the missile though. The IN MiG-29K/KUB will have the same airframe with the same canopy. In the K, the backseater's position will be taken up by a fuel tank or extra avionics. Same is the case with the -35/D.
Alfa_Kilo Posted March 31, 2007 Posted March 31, 2007 Thats not an Indian missile......looks like a speculative model of a future R-73 derivative to me.
Trident Posted April 1, 2007 Posted April 1, 2007 The IN MiG-29K/KUB will have the same airframe with the same canopy. In the K, the backseater's position will be taken up by a fuel tank or extra avionics. Same is the case with the -35/D. Yes - unfortunately :( The new twin-seat canopy introduced with the MiG-29M2 looks a damn sight better than the original MiG-29UB arrangement, but it's still far from being as aesthetically pleasing as the original MiG-29M/K single-seater canopy.
Alfa Posted April 1, 2007 Posted April 1, 2007 The IN MiG-29K/KUB will have the same airframe with the same canopy. In the K, the backseater's position will be taken up by a fuel tank or extra avionics. Same is the case with the -35/D. Ay - you may have a point there :) . So far we have only seen the new -KUB(9-47) materialise, but I remember reading that the 9-41 single seater will "use the same cockpit canopy" as the twin-seater......I didn't think much about what was meant by this when I read it, but I guess the model in the pictures FF posted is reflecting just that. Unfortunately... JJ
Alfa Posted April 1, 2007 Posted April 1, 2007 Yes - unfortunately :( The new twin-seat canopy introduced with the MiG-29M2 looks a damn sight better than the original MiG-29UB arrangement, but it's still far from being as aesthetically pleasing as the original MiG-29M/K single-seater canopy. Yes I agree completely :( . JJ
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