Should pilots be punished for using the G-Limiter override leaver ?

[GGTharos]

You have already been told what the FCS does. No 'punishment' necessary.

 

 

 

Ow and yeah how could have I forgotten, structural stress is only applied after you have landed, right ? At the end of your turn, cuz we flying in an RPG game.

 

So drama starters aside... Has anyone found any quotes from the NATOPS ?

[GGTharos]

The F-18 FCS deliberately limits you so that you don't have the kind of 'punishment' you're thinking of.

 

 

 

So ... no?

 

 

 

Can we have that "no punishment" standard for all aircraft?

 

Does MiG-21 still drop ordinance when pull X Gs?

[David OC]

I was waiting for the FC3 Su-27 ASC disconnect or Wheel brake ASC relax to come up here first. The disconnect can give you as much as you want until you rip the wings off LOL. Way more than what the F-18 will give you. Pilot's discretion.

[mahuja]

It is my understanding that the g-limiter is providing a buffer - think service life enhancer - to the Gmax.

As such, using the override merely brings your plane to its max performance, but at the cost of not extending a fairly short service life.

 

But 50-50 I'm wrong.

[David OC]

DCS aircraft doesn't have service life.

 

Each battle is a virtual new one, same for the Su-27 with it's relax and disconnect and all the other DCS aircraft. If the system can damage the wings ED will model this, they would have more info about the system then what we have? Curly may no some more perhaps with all the research his done?

[Akula]

I haven't dug in into the F/A-18 a lot yet, but I do see a lot of video where people just pull the G Override and pull Gs with bombs on the wings like it is nothing.

 

The FCS calculated the G Limiter based on loading, correct ?

 

I am asking here, just so I know what to expect. Not complaining or anything.

 

Should the bombs get torn off the wings if you pull such maneuvers ? or shouldn't there be structural damage.

 

I know that an air frame should be capable of sustaining up to 3 second above the maximum rated G without breaking apart (to another G rating), but that should still give structural damage.

 

Asking, because it just seems a bit unfair of these hornet pilots who use this technik in dogfighting while still having their whole payload

 

Is this something we can expect in the future ?

 

Thanks in advance. Again, this is not bashing or crying or reporting anything, just a question about expectations (kinda sad that I have to specifically specify this)

 

 

 

In short, no.

 

The FCS over compensates so the margin of stress on the airframe between what the Fly By Wire system will allow vs what is needed to actually TEAR the plane apart is HUGE. This means that yeah if the pilot overides the FCS then he's more or less on his own but he'll be OK as long as he doesn't overdo it.

 

Most pilots I've talked to say they can feel and hear when the airframe is reaching it's true limits and if they overstress a jet, believe me, they *do* hear about it from their CO and the ground crew.

Edited July 3, 2018 by Akula

[QuiGon]

Can we have that "no punishment" standard for all aircraft?

 

Does MiG-21 still drop ordinance when pull X Gs?

Yes, Leatherneck did implement a dynamic weight calculation at some point for the MiG-21 and now if you pull to many G with too heavy stores you will loose them.

[GGTharos]

Definitely take that up with the MiG-21 guys. Maybe their g-tolerance calculations are a little too strict.

 

As for the Hornet, that 23000lbs airframe is rated at 10-ish g. That's an empty airframe, you won't be flying it like that. At twice that weight, you're at half the g-rating (Actually, I don't think it's quite so linear, but it makes things simple enough)

 

So, if you take that 23000lbs + 17000lbs of fuel (internal + tanks), you're at 40000 ... throw 2 sparrows and sidewinders on that, plus 4 mk-83s (going for weight here!) and you're at 46000 in no time.

 

At this point, the g-limiter override give you 33% more g, so you can go from 5g to 6.5-ish or so. It's not a 'license' to pull 10g and thus rip the wings off.

 

There are other considerations which may or may not be taken into account as well - for example, each pylon has a weight limit as well and this may limit the g's further. Lateral gs are also not fun for the airframe, you have less lateral tolerance usually that +Gz.