Spathiphyllum Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 I am wondering if the Viggen is capable of carrying out a precision attack at night time against: - static targets such as buildings or parked armored vehicles - against moving armored vehicles If so, what weapon would be the most suitable and how would you "find" the target at night, especially if it's a small vehicle such as a tank?
Cobra847 Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 You'd need to use the Lysbomb, flare bombs, to illuminate the target area. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
charliefoxtwo Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 You'd need to use the Lysbomb, flare bombs, to illuminate the target area. Agreed. If you haven't used them yet, you absolutely have to. Nothing more thrilling than cutting the grass in the middle of the night. I do have a difficult time getting them right where I want them, but that's probably just because I'm a bad pilot :p
Jenrick Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On a fixed target you can do a radar or nav point bombing run using standard non guided bombs. Not precision in they way we think of it now (LGB/JDAM/etc), but for an area target (say warehouse complex, port etc,) it would work reasonably well with a good flight plan. -Jenrick
TLTeo Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 I guess if there's no/little aa present, you could also use mavericks while flying high enough for your radar to pick up the targets. It's probably not the most effective method but I can see it working in the right circumstances?
Spathiphyllum Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 Thanks guys! I have also quickly run through the relevant pages of the manual and found some YT videos, illuminating the target using Lysbomb seems to be the way to go. I will also try radar bombing but it's not that accurate I guess.
Jenrick Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 So I was playing around with Nav point bombing tonight. If you have your nav point set directly on the target, and you follow procedure you're pretty much guaranteed a shack. Pretty dang accurate. I'll mess with radar bombing tomorrow, as I have only taken a cursory look at it so far
Spathiphyllum Posted July 13, 2018 Author Posted July 13, 2018 So I was playing around with Nav point bombing tonight. If you have your nav point set directly on the target, and you follow procedure you're pretty much guaranteed a shack. Pretty dang accurate. I'll mess with radar bombing tomorrow, as I have only taken a cursory look at it so far Keep us posted how it went!
Jenrick Posted July 14, 2018 Posted July 14, 2018 So it may be a translation issue with the flight manual, but the procedure makes little sense. Basically you turn on the radar, and fly until the mark on the screen is over the radar return of the target. Fine, easy enough, but what is the profile for this (altitude, airspeed, angle, etc)? It's trial and error right now, so it's tremendously inaccurate for me at the moment. Considering you can update your nav points with the radar to adjust for drift, you'd be FAR more accurate just bumping your target way point with a radar nav update and bombing in Nav point bombing. I would have assumed you'd select your target via the radar, designate it, and then steer the AC into acceptable parameters. The lack of precision in the radar would be the major issue with precision strikes. Apparently this is not the case, and it's VERY rudimentary currently (no clue if this realistic or not). -Jenrick
Spathiphyllum Posted July 14, 2018 Author Posted July 14, 2018 I am not expert at all, in fact very limited knowledge of aircraft but based on what I read so far it seems to be very realistic. The "way" precision night bombing was meant to be done in the Viggen is by using the illumination bombs to light up the target and then throw whatever bombs on it. This is normally done by a co-op work of multiple aircraft, one drops the Lysbomb and the other(s) then bomb the now lit target. Correct me if I am wrong.
Retnek Posted July 14, 2018 Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) https://docs.google.com/document/d/11jsJbjifXpNZTAUL_UYYdJoyaZ7aLhG46grgSnwucCk/edit#heading=h.oifa23zi1fgd see p. 12, cited from here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180927&highlight=lansen Enlightened reading, I'd say. ;-) Can't find the source, but I'm quite sure it was stated somewhere, that the night bombing tactics using the flare-bombs and blind bombs were more or less the same than those used with the Saab 32 Lansen. Edited July 14, 2018 by Retnek "Those who admire me for my 275 kills know nothing about war" Günther Rall
Jenrick Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) I'll play with this more. There's a point where you're supposed to go UNSAFE, and I'm curious if that does anything. Part of the issues is that the DCS manual doesn't have a great break down of each mode and how it works. Also thank you for the docs, good reading. The main issue I have, is that manual is VERY unclear on what is supposed to be happening. I'm guessing in the real world flight manual there's much more information, or at least a chart of High Drag bombs X alt and Y speed, Low Drag bombs P alt Q speed, etc. Edited July 15, 2018 by Jenrick
Jenrick Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 Alright, after an uninstall-reinstall and rebinding my controls radar bombing is functioning as manual describes. I still find it an odd design decision that you can't use the radar to select a return and pass it along as the radar bombing point, but who knows what the Swedes and their transistors were thinking at the time. Radar bombing would have some utility against a LARGE radar return, such as ships, possibly large vehicle formations, and if DCS ever models buildings having a radar reflection. It is VERY hit or miss (mostly miss) as you're ripping along at M.8 so even small alignment and timing errors have big consequences. I can see it as a last ditch way to deploy ordinance if the weather is soup.
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