How do I use LGBs?

[Alphamale]

That’s correct. Technically there isn’t a way to spot the laser yet since the LST isn’t implemented yet. Basically you have to just “know” where the target is and use the “ball and chain” to create a release point. It is a bit elementary but it is functional. I wish I could view a track right now, but I’m working the next 6 days.

 

Addendum Right now you can only conduct pre-planned attacks using waypoint releases or just knowing ahead of where the target is exactly. It will be pretty difficult do CAS missions using LGBs. The process would be very tedious because of constantly copying coordinates and creating new waypoints. The pod and Link16 will greatly reduce the workload when the time comes.

 

Actually you can spot the laser with a laser maverick.

 

 

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Well, then what did DCS mean by telling us, we got the LGBs this update? We had them before this last update...at least we could use them as FF bombs with CCIP....what new feature did we supposedly get with this last update that was new for the LGBs? And when I say this, I mean that I have not seen any LGB try to correct for precise impact...they are still all freefall bombs

Edited December 21, 2018 by Alphamale

[Daz85UK]

Okay. What altitude are you releasing at? Are you giving the bomb enough time to acquire and adjust? What’s the waypoint elevation? What’s the target elevation? Sorry for questions. Viewing a track would be much easier.

 

 

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Ive dropped from multiple altitudes from 5000ft to 15000ft. 9/10 it still doesnt acquire a laser.

WP elvation 33ft TGT Elevation 33ft. Surely WP elev and tgt elev shouldn't matter on a lased target anyway?

[Tj1376]

These were not thin-skinned vehicles and it would seem more logical to protect the pilot with lasing and releasing from a higher altitude than diving in on the targets with a less than pinpoint accurate system such as guns, but regardless, the ammo selected in the ME for this JTAC to call for was Guided Bombs and that's what he should do...we simply need the TGP to use the lasing system correctly...at least in single player...in MP you can probably use the AV8B or the AC10 to buddy-lase for you until we get the pod

 

 

 

Two threads were merged and you lost the context of the thread our convo got merged into. In the OP second thread post, he clearly stated (and added a miz file) of a mission of thin skinned vehicles. When he changed the vehicles to tanks JTAC asked for bombs.

 

The point still stands- this appears to be working as designed as it makes more sense operationally to use guns on a thin skinned vehicle than to ask for gbus. Run out of gun ammo and the jtac asks for bombs. Change the target to something with armor and the jtac asks for bombs.

 

TJ

 

 

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[DeathAngel1]

In my opinion, its better to wait for ATFLIR. Until then, LGBs with JTAC lasing will have limited capabilities.

[Eagle7907]

How do I use LGBs?

 

Well, then what did DCS mean by telling us, we got the LGBs this update? We had them before this last update...at least we could use them as FF bombs with CCIP....what new feature did we supposedly get with this last update that was new for the LGBs? And when I say this, I mean that I have not seen any LGB try to correct for precise impact...they are still all freefall bombs

 

 

 

Well mate, I honestly don’t have an answer for you. I’ve checked the obvious things that I can at the moment that may have been looked over. I have used them since yesterdays update and they guide perfectly (both using waypoint release and HUD) to target laser by JTAC. You’re using 2.5.4 open beta? Not stable?

 

 

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Edited December 21, 2018 by Eagle7907

[Alphamale]

Two threads were merged and you lost the context of the thread our convo got merged into. In the OP second thread post, he clearly stated (and added a miz file) of a mission of thin skinned vehicles. When he changed the vehicles to tanks JTAC asked for bombs.

 

The point still stands- this appears to be working as designed as it makes more sense operationally to use guns on a thin skinned vehicle than to ask for gbus. Run out of gun ammo and the jtac asks for bombs. Change the target to something with armor and the jtac asks for bombs.

 

TJ

 

 

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Well, it's still not working as intended because I had armor and it still called for guns

[Eagle7907]

How do I use LGBs?

 

Ive dropped from multiple altitudes from 5000ft to 15000ft. 9/10 it still doesnt acquire a laser.

WP elvation 33ft TGT Elevation 33ft. Surely WP elev and tgt elev shouldn't matter on a lased target anyway?

 

 

 

It matters if the TGT elevation is way off the actual elevation. (WYP elevation matters if you use the waypoint designation aka Wags video). If the TGT elevation is higher, that will cause the release to happen too close or directly over your target, which will be too late. But since they match in your case, that’s not the problem.

 

Hmmm, 15k should be plenty of time. And the stores page does say the correct laser code JTAC is using under the pylon locations? Remember you have to do it for each pylon. Not like the Mavericks.

 

 

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Edited December 21, 2018 by Eagle7907

[Tj1376]

Well, it's still not working as intended because I had armor and it still called for guns

 

Post your MIZ?

 

TJ

[Alphamale]

Well mate, I honestly don’t have an answer for you. I’ve checked the obvious things that I can at the moment that may have been looked over. I have used them since yesterdays update and they guide perfectly (both using waypoint release and HUD) to target laser by JTAC. You’re using 2.5.4 open beta? Not stable?

 

 

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Have a mission that you'd care to share that demonstrates this guiding working perfectly?

[Eagle7907]

I’d love to, but like I said in another post, I’m on the road for next 6 days.

 

 

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[Alphamale]

Post your MIZ?

 

TJ

 

If you check ME, you'll see that the loadout is 4 GBU12s and may or not have Gun ammo...you'll have to check because I was testing if JTAC would finally go with LGBs if I had no gun ammo...in either case let me know if you get a precise hit on any of the armor targets by saving the track and posting it back...also, if you don't mind, if you make any changes to the miz, could you please return that miz so I can see what you set and, hopefully, learn from this...thanks

Laser Mav Test.miz

[Eagle7907]

How do I use LGBs?

 

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[Tj1376]

If you check ME, you'll see that the loadout is 4 GBU12s and may or not have Gun ammo...you'll have to check because I was testing if JTAC would finally go with LGBs if I had no gun ammo...in either case let me know if you get a precise hit on any of the armor targets by saving the track and posting it back...also, if you don't mind, if you make any changes to the miz, could you please return that miz so I can see what you set and, hopefully, learn from this...thanks

 

Yep, will do. I wanted your MIZ to see how it differed from my setup. Currently waiting for 31gigs to unpack and install the update and then will be taking a peek at this.

 

TJ

[Eagle7907]

Yep, will do. I wanted your MIZ to see how it differed from my setup. Currently waiting for 31gigs to unpack and install the update and then will be taking a peek at this.

 

 

 

TJ

 

 

 

Thanks for helping TJ.

 

 

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[Alphamale]

Yep, will do. I wanted your MIZ to see how it differed from my setup. Currently waiting for 31gigs to unpack and install the update and then will be taking a peek at this.

 

TJ

 

Yeah, it's actually the mission that Wags gave us when the 65E was introduced...I just modified it by adding a drone as a laser painter

[Raz_Specter]

Hey, even if you get a Cleared Hot, there's no Azimuth Steering line and you never hear the bomb drop if you continue IN while holding the pickle button....ball and chain won't do it, or even SHOULD do it because that's a different type of deployment...there's simply no indication of a target being lased on the ground from the HUD symbology even when you select AUTO mode...the videos we saw had a Waypoint designated as the target, not a lasing platform operation

 

The ball and chain method is just an easy way to get the bomb fall line to show and the weapon release to work at the right time. Currently there isn’t any other way

[Daz85UK]

It matters if the TGT elevation is way off the actual elevation. (WYP elevation matters if you use the waypoint designation aka Wags video). If the TGT elevation is higher, that will cause the release to happen too close or directly over your target, which will be too late. But since they match in your case, that’s not the problem.

 

Hmmm, 15k should be plenty of time. And the stores page does say the correct laser code JTAC is using under the pylon locations? Remember you have to do it for each pylon. Not like the Mavericks.

 

 

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Yes I stepped through each GBU and input the code, I have ALOT of hours in the A10C so the code was the first thing I checked.

 

 

Ah well i'll keep playing around with them

[Eagle7907]

How do I use LGBs?

 

The ball and chain method is just an easy way to get the bomb fall line to show and the weapon release to work at the right time. Currently there isn’t any other way

 

 

 

HUD (ball and chain) or waypoint release designation or CCIP (not recommended) are the only three ways to release LGBs.

 

 

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Edited December 21, 2018 by Eagle7907

[Eagle7907]

Yes I stepped through each GBU and input the code, I have ALOT of hours in the A10C so the code was the first thing I checked.

 

 

Ah well i'll keep playing around with them

 

 

 

Sorry mate, I wish I could at least view a track, but I’m sure someone will catch the problem. Keep working at it. I’ve done drops with -12s on the abandoned airstrip as well as in Tsibli? and all of them performed as expected.

 

 

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[Tj1376]

If you check ME, you'll see that the loadout is 4 GBU12s and may or not have Gun ammo...you'll have to check because I was testing if JTAC would finally go with LGBs if I had no gun ammo...in either case let me know if you get a precise hit on any of the armor targets by saving the track and posting it back...also, if you don't mind, if you make any changes to the miz, could you please return that miz so I can see what you set and, hopefully, learn from this...thanks

 

I can reproduce this with the A10c - its not an F18 problem, its a problem with CA or the JTAC function in the ME.

 

For fun I just added the A10C to your mission and sure enough, if I have gun ammo in the GAU8, it asks for guns even though weapon designation is set for Guided munitions.

 

For further kicks - changed designation from AUTO to Laser (to hopefully force laser) and in the A10C I still get type 1 in effect (visual spotting.)

 

I'd recommend moving this thread to the 2.5 ME bug report section and creating a new bug report there. This has nothing to do with the F18.

 

TJ

 

EDIT: I'll play with some of my JTAC missions later tonight and see if its a problem just with the predator or if other type 2 capable units will also ask for guns.

[Tj1376]

Yes I asked for laser on along with "spot" and "In" and have also tried with just using laser on and not saying "spot" or "in".

I just tried the same mission and I put an AGM-65E on board to see if the JTAC was actually lasing the correct target and he is. I locked using the Maverick to ensure JTAC was infact lasing, he was so I switched to GBU and this time the GBU hit.

 

 

 

However upon restarting the mission I asked for laser on but this time I didnt touch my maverick, I selected GBU with correct code etc etc and it didnt even attempt to pick up a laser.

 

I just successfully had 4 gbu12s hit laser designated targets from an F18 no issue - jtac (predator) was lazing.

 

You need altitude and what I find seems to work best is to treat it like a CCIP delivery right now (I havent played with Auto and if my memory serves me correctly CCRP isnt truly modeled yet as we dont have a a device that can read the laser return and correctly calculate a CCRP delivery on the actual aircraft... Thus, use CCIP to get the bomb close and let the laser do the rest of the work.

 

For wags default mission, get to 15k feet, get in a dive with the cross hairs close to the target area (i just aim for the middle of the runway) and pickle (you HAVE to make sure you follow all the commands correctly, Laser on, On, Lazing, Spot, In, Cleared Hot then line up target and pickle.) If you do any of these steps incorrectly, JTAC will immediately STOP lazing which causes your bomb (or mavE) to miss.

 

Hope this helps

 

TJ

[Alphamale]

Wait, I'd like to see your track showing the LGB actually hitting a target dead center due to ANY lasing platform...my contention is, that there IS a problem on the F18 side I haven't yet seen an actual track showing this regardless of how the ordinance was dropped...thanks

[Alphamale]

I just successfully had 4 gbu12s hit laser designated targets from an F18 no issue - jtac (predator) was lazing.

 

You need altitude and what I find seems to work best is to treat it like a CCIP delivery right now (I havent played with Auto and if my memory serves me correctly CCRP isnt truly modeled yet as we dont have a a device that can read the laser return and correctly calculate a CCRP delivery on the actual aircraft... Thus, use CCIP to get the bomb close and let the laser do the rest of the work.

 

For wags default mission, get to 15k feet, get in a dive with the cross hairs close to the target area (i just aim for the middle of the runway) and pickle (you HAVE to make sure you follow all the commands correctly, Laser on, On, Lazing, Spot, In, Cleared Hot then line up target and pickle.) If you do any of these steps incorrectly, JTAC will immediately STOP lazing which causes your bomb (or mavE) to miss.

 

Hope this helps

 

TJ

 

But why do all that, if you can be near as accurate with CCIP? Right now, I can't even get the JTAC to declare Type 2

Edited December 21, 2018 by Alphamale

[Tj1376]

How do I use LGBs?

 

But why do all that, if you can be near as accurate with CCIP?

 

 

WIP mate. Give em time!

 

TJ

 

Edit: another two weeks should do it! lol

 

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[Tj1376]

But why do all that, if you can be near as accurate with CCIP? Right now, I can't even get the JTAC to declare Type 2

 

 

 

The mission you sent me declared type 2 no issues. You had removed all the gun ammo from the f18.

 

Once you add gun ammo back, for some reason jtac is requesting gun run. Not sure why that is on these targets.

 

TJ

 

 

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