MiG-21 used plain water for AB?!!

[Guest superanubistype]

And what do you think the heat comes from? Could it be produced by oh - the detonation of the fuel?

Yeah, a detonation will crack H2O apart...if it's a nuke.

 

 

 

Uh, no ... the solid explosives drive the fissile material together such that it can reach supercritical mass. They take no part whatsoever in 'splitting the atom'. Without the explosives you'd still be splitting the atom, just in a slagpile like chernobyl rather than rapid fission.

 

 

 

Bull. Same principle, better tuning.

 

 

 

And current weapons do it in a very similar manner.

 

 

I don't think you understand the difference between compressing a bunch of metal and cracking H2O. Cracking H2O requires a LOT more energy. At this point, all I can say is ... grab an advanced chemistry book and educate yourself.

 

Go google the manhattan project.

 

In layman terms.

 

1, Solid explosives smashed to spheres of uranium together in a chamber.

 

2, The energy from the two spheres colliding forces the uranuim half spheres into compression, the energy needed for this compression came from solid explosives.

 

3, The uranium cores are now in compression from the energy from solid explosives, the cores go critial from the compression and fission occurs, shortly followed by detonation.

 

Now which of these comments do you disagree with just say 1 2 or 3.

 

So answer this, if a gas/air explosive mixture has a much faster burn rate which in turn equals more instantaneous energy than a slower buring solid explosive.

So if convetional solid explosives can create enough energy to split the atom surely a more powerful explosive can create enough energy to force atoms apart

[Guest superanubistype]

'Your precious inkenel' wouldn't last a second on the surface of the sun. Just because an alloy is 'heat resistant' doesn't mean it doesn't have a melting/boiling/vaporization point like anything else. Do you know what that melting point is? And what about Berylium?

 

When Inkenel is insualted with beryillium it can withstand tempratures several times hotter than the sun.

 

This machine is made of Inkenel and insulated with beryillium it can with stand tempratures in excess of 100 million kelvin, you could lay the inside of that machine on the sun and it would laugh in its face.

 

Read it for yourself http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/fusion-basics/fusion2.html

 

[Pilotasso]

yes, for how many nanoseconds? :)

[Guest superanubistype]

yes, for how many nanoseconds? :)

 

That machine has on average six months of shutdown/maintainance every three years, the rest of the time it's running 24/7 since the early 80's i beleive, Its so power greedy it takes it power directly from the grid at Didcot power station it has also generated the worlds first fusion reaction.

[GGTharos]

Go google the manhattan project.

 

In layman terms.

 

1, Solid explosives smashed to spheres of uranium together in a chamber.

 

Yep.

 

2, The energy from the two spheres colliding forces the uranuim half spheres into compression, the energy needed for this compression came from solid explosives.

 

The KINETIC energy, which is what the explosives impart onto the fissile material. KINETIC energy. In other words, if you could achieve the same velocities with a pair of cars, you could do the same. Would you then claim that it was gasoline that split the atom?

 

3, The uranium cores are now in compression from the energy from solid explosives, the cores go critial from the compression and fission occurs, shortly followed by detonation.

 

The cores go supercritical because there's enough mass of fissile material concentrated in a small enough volume to cause a chain reaction involving neutrons paying billiards with nuclei, and causing atoms to split, as the case may be. There's nothing about 'energy from explosives' here, IT HAPPENS ON ITS OWN. The explosives just get everything in the right place.

 

Now which of these comments do you disagree with just say 1 2 or 3.

 

Your inability to understand that fission and conventional explosives are two incredibly different things. We've already had enough explosives detonated in Halifax to equal a small nuke at one time, and there wasn't a whole lot of atom-splitting anywhere for any reason.

 

So answer this, if a gas/air explosive mixture has a much faster burn rate which in turn equals more instantaneous energy than a slower buring solid explosive.

So if convetional solid explosives can create enough energy to split the atom surely a more powerful explosive can create enough energy to force atoms apart

 

 

Conventional explosives release energy in the process of chemically changing one type of material into another. This energy is insufficient to split atoms.

Fission causes atomic nuclei to destabilize, which is a completely different phenomenon than chemical bonding.

 

If water was so easy to crack we'd be running on hydrogen engines a long time ago.

[GGTharos]

More like the sun will laugh in its face. It seems you're not aware of the fact that plsma energy is measured in terms of temperature. In other words, kinetic energy of particles is measured as ... temperature. But we all knew that from highschool science class, right?

 

100 million kelvin is -nothing- if it's just a handful of particles. ;)

Learn to understand what you're reading first.

 

When Inkenel is insualted with beryillium it can withstand tempratures several times hotter than the sun.

 

This machine is made of Inkenel and insulated with beryillium it can with stand tempratures in excess of 100 million kelvin, you could lay the inside of that machine on the sun and it would laugh in its face.

[Pilotasso]

That machine has on average six months of shutdown/maintainance every three years, the rest of the time it's running 24/7 since the early 80's i beleive, Its so power greedy it takes it power directly from the grid at Didcot power station it has also generated the worlds first fusion reaction.

 

 

I meant sustained reaction.

[Guest superanubistype]

Yep.

 

 

 

The KINETIC energy, which is what the explosives impart onto the fissile material. KINETIC energy. In other words, if you could achieve the same velocities with a pair of cars, you could do the same. Would you then claim that it was gasoline that split the atom?

 

 

 

The cores go supercritical because there's enough mass of fissile material concentrated in a small enough volume to cause a chain reaction involving neutrons paying billiards with nuclei, and causing atoms to split, as the case may be. There's nothing about 'energy from explosives' here, IT HAPPENS ON ITS OWN. The explosives just get everything in the right place.

 

 

 

Your inability to understand that fission and conventional explosives are two incredibly different things. We've already had enough explosives detonated in Halifax to equal a small nuke at one time, and there wasn't a whole lot of atom-splitting anywhere for any reason.

 

 

 

 

Conventional explosives release energy in the process of chemically changing one type of material into another. This energy is insufficient to split atoms.

Fission causes atomic nuclei to destabilize, which is a completely different phenomenon than chemical bonding.

 

If water was so easy to crack we'd be running on hydrogen engines a long time ago.

 

You keep saying kinetic energy lol, From what source does all this kinetic energy come from?, The same energy from the detonation of solid explosives thats where. SO which of the answers 1 2 or 3 do you disagree with?

 

We already have the abilliy to run on hydrogen but considering most of the patents for hydrogen reliant technologys are owned by big oil companys we wont be seeing any of that technology until all the oil is gone. They cant make you buy water.

 

VAG built a 100+mph hydrogen powered self sustainable car, it can create it's own hydrogen and generate electricity too, That was a decade ago lol.

[Guest superanubistype]

Oh and 1000,000 kelvin is 99999726.85 degrees Celsius, I thinks thats kinda hot hot hot.

[Guest superanubistype]

I meant sustained reaction.

 

It created 0.5 seconds worth of sustained fusion reaction time. But the machine is always kept at the tempratures required for fussion. Thoses scientists are working 24/7 to create an reliable self sustained fusion reaction like the sun does.

[GGTharos]

You keep saying kinetic energy lol, From what source does all this kinetic energy come from?, The same energy from the detonation of solid explosives thats where. SO which of the answers 1 2 or 3 do you disagree with?

 

Kinetic energy which is insufficient to cause atoms to split. I already explained everything in my previous answer, it isn't my fault that you can't understand it. Like I said ... you need an advanced or intermediate chemistry course - something like 1st/2nd year university to get all this.

 

We already have the abilliy to run on hydrogen but considering most of the patents for hydrogen reliant technologys are owned by big oil companys we wont be seeing any of that technology until all the oil is gone. They cant make you buy water.

 

Yeah, well, I have news for you. One of the supervisors I had when working at the NRC (Canadian National Research Council) worked on hydrogen storage issues. It's the storage of hydrogen that's a problem, not the oil companies, at least as far as implementation is concerned ;)

 

VAG built a 100+mph hydrogen powered self sustainable car, it can create it's own hydrogen and generate electricity too, That was a decade ago lol.

 

Perhaps you should read up on a myth known as 'perpetual motion machine' :)

[GGTharos]

Oh and 1000,000 kelvin is 99999726.85 degrees Celsius, I thinks thats kinda hot hot hot.

 

It's also meaningless if that measure pertains to just a hundred atoms. Or even a billion.

 

Okay, here, let me give you another little fact: Solar wind that reaches our atmosphere is much more plentiful than the stuff you find in that tokamak.

 

If I recall correctly, solar wind particles come in at about 4000000K of temperature. Are you burning yet? Or does is the atmosphere made of inkenel insulated with berylium?

[Force_Feedback]

We have this death star floating around, it absorbs all the solar energy, then converts it to deathrays. Oh wait, that's the ISS with a radio transmitter.

[Guest superanubistype]

You can post what you like but for fission and detonation to occur in a nuclear warhead it NEEDS the energy released from convetional solid explosives.

 

For the last time the energy released from convetional solid explosives is used to start the fission reaction this energy creates the intial explosion the rest is done by fission. The picture even states "the compression of plutonuim with a chemical explosive starts a fission explosion".

 

Fission is the complete process that spilts the atom.

 

Argue with this.

 

[Guest superanubistype]

It's also meaningless if that measure pertains to just a hundred atoms. Or even a billion.

 

Okay, here, let me give you another little fact: Solar wind that reaches our atmosphere is much more plentiful than the stuff you find in that tokamak.

 

If I recall correctly, solar wind particles come in at about 4000000K of temperature. Are you burning yet? Or does is the atmosphere made of inkenel insulated with berylium?

 

Keep digging, it takes at least three weeks for that machine to be switched off for even the remote handling department to enter that machine with a massive robotic arm, man entry is possible at 4 weeks, you can email and ask its primary maintanance contractor called Alstec engineering if you dont beleive me.

[Guest superanubistype]

Perhaps you should read up on a myth known as 'perpetual motion machine' :)

 

Perhaps you should stop trying to flame me and listen for once, watch this clip and guess were the H2 comes from?. I dont mind flamers really its there way of dealing with something they dont understand or beleive.

 

[GGTharos]

http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/stragegy.htm

 

BMW is the first car maker in the world to start the series development of a car driven by a hydrogen combustion engine. Pointing strongly into the future, this progressive sedan is based on the current BMW 7 Series. Top speed will be 215 km/h (133 mph) plus, the cruising range will be in excess of 200 kilometers or 125 miles on hydrogen and 500 kilometers or 310 miles on gasoline.

[Guest superanubistype]

http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/stragegy.htm

 

See they do exsist ;), And the H2 comes from water. This technology is present and viable but its far to expensive and alot of the patents for hydrogen technologies are owned by oil companies. BMW dont own the patents on this technology some manafacture from europe who built the first hydrogen powered car a ford focus does, its called something like 'works' if you trace that company back through it's roots I'll bet thats owned by an oil company too.

[Force_Feedback]

You're confusing chemical and physical splitting of water into components, the chamical way is with either electricity, some additive+cathalyst, in these methods the electrical bonds are broken due to introduction of some other compound or element. You are however not breaking water molecules up by heating it, that is still way too unefficient, plus all that fallout will make the reason to split it kind of, well, excessive :P What you dispute is nuclear fission of the water molecule, and it's not that easy to split as say Uranium, Americium or Plutonium and their isotopes. And that is the reason they mostly use Uranium and Plutonium in nuclear bombs, if water was that easily to split, well, we'd have a hard time living, won't we?

 

If you really want to know more, why not just read about it instead of arguing about proven physics?

[Guest superanubistype]

You're confusing chemical and physical splitting of water into components, the chamical way is with either electricity, some additive+cathalyst, in these methods the electrical bonds are broken due to introduction of some other compound or element. You are however not breaking water molecules up by heating it, that is still way too unefficient, plus all that fallout will make the reason to split it kind of, well, excessive :P What you dispute is nuclear fission of the water molecule, and it's not that easy to split as say Uranium, Americium or Plutonium and their isotopes. And that is the reason they mostly use Uranium and Plutonium in nuclear bombs, if water was that easily to split, well, we'd have a hard time living, won't we?

 

If you really want to know more, why not just read about it instead off arguing about proven physics?

 

Ok forget heat and your basically telling me that it is easier to split an atom than it is to break a single covelant bond of two atoms sharing a pair of electrons?. These bonds dont like massive amounts of energy some bonds even destroy themelves from the energy of the attached atoms, they are very susceptible to energy fluxtuations.

 

It is far easier to break a covelant bond than it is to split an atom.

 

Were did you get the fallout bit from and nuclear fission of the water molecule?.

[Guest superanubistype]

Are you thinking that if you break the covelant bonds that form a molecular structure your going to get a fission reaction?, well thats defintley not going to happen, Fallout as is radioactive fallout? from breaking the H2O covelant bond?, All you will do is break water down to its primary atomic elements, Hydrogen and Oxygen.

[Force_Feedback]

No, splitting as in splitting H in 1n and 1p

[Guest superanubistype]

No, splitting as in splitting H in 1n and 1p

 

OK you've lost me.

 

I'm trying to explain how the instantaneous high energy detonation of an air/fuel mix could POSSIBLY break the bonds that hold two atoms of hydrogen to one atom of oxygen, these bonds are very susceptible to high amounts of energy and considering that conventional solid explosives with a slower burn rate thus less power can create the necessary energy requirement to initiate a fission reaction makes this topic a plausible point, that quite frankly wont get answered here.

 

To find the answer you'll need to know how much energy is released when military avaition fuel is detonated under pressure and confinement in kilojoules, then take this number and find out how many kilojoules of energy it takes to break the covelant bonds to seperate the three atoms. If there is enough energy to break these bonds you will have an explosive 2:1 Hydrogen air/fuel mixture.

 

Just to give you an idea of the ammount energy in one KJ, one KJ contains enough energy to heat 500ml of water from room temperature to boiling point.

[Boneski]

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