Ragnar65 Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 Guys, tried to set up some enemy bombers in formation, inspired by the big bomberformations of WWII. While it can be done with WWII-units as for example the B-17, I can´t place multiple units in one group when placing let´s say TU-95. I can only place them via copy and paste, but then they are single groups... Is there really no way to do what i want to do? X-56 HOTAS, TFRP Pedals Modules: F-5E, FC3, F/A-18C, Mirage 2000 C, AV-8BNA, FW-190 A-8, F-16C Viper SystemSpecs: AMD A8-6600K (4x3,9GHz), 16 GB RAM, NVidia GeForce GTX1070 8GB, WIN10 64bit
HC_Official Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 sadly they are restricted to one per group No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
Ragnar65 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Posted July 24, 2019 sadly they are restricted to one per group Ah, okay. Thanks for quick reply. X-56 HOTAS, TFRP Pedals Modules: F-5E, FC3, F/A-18C, Mirage 2000 C, AV-8BNA, FW-190 A-8, F-16C Viper SystemSpecs: AMD A8-6600K (4x3,9GHz), 16 GB RAM, NVidia GeForce GTX1070 8GB, WIN10 64bit
mono6020 Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 hey ragnar, you can use the task "follow" on the second bomber and choose the first as target for the follow task. within the follow task options you can set the formation to WW2 style bomber formation or others...works pretty nice and looks like a group formation. i prefer to program one bomber (with waypoints, target carpet bombing, whatever...) and just copy/paste to create the next bomber, then set the "follow" task. so they even bomb in sync. can be repeated for as many bombers as desired. just make sure the third follows the second, the fourth the third and so on...
Ragnar65 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Posted July 24, 2019 hey ragnar, you can use the task "follow" on the second bomber and choose the first as target for the follow task. within the follow task options you can set the formation to WW2 style bomber formation or others...works pretty nice and looks like a group formation. i prefer to program one bomber (with waypoints, target carpet bombing, whatever...) and just copy/paste to create the next bomber, then set the "follow" task. so they even bomb in sync. can be repeated for as many bombers as desired. just make sure the third follows the second, the fourth the third and so on... Sounds like a very practical way! I'm gonna try that next time... X-56 HOTAS, TFRP Pedals Modules: F-5E, FC3, F/A-18C, Mirage 2000 C, AV-8BNA, FW-190 A-8, F-16C Viper SystemSpecs: AMD A8-6600K (4x3,9GHz), 16 GB RAM, NVidia GeForce GTX1070 8GB, WIN10 64bit
HC_Official Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) hey ragnar, you can use the task "follow" on the second bomber and choose the first as target for the follow task. within the follow task options you can set the formation to WW2 style bomber formation or others...works pretty nice and looks like a group formation. i prefer to program one bomber (with waypoints, target carpet bombing, whatever...) and just copy/paste to create the next bomber, then set the "follow" task. so they even bomb in sync. can be repeated for as many bombers as desired. just make sure the third follows the second, the fourth the third and so on... What happens if the first bomber gets destroyed on way to target ? Edited July 24, 2019 by HC_Official No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
mono6020 Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) What happens if the first bomber gets destroyed on way to target ? they fly to their assigned waypoint for the bombing task i guess. you need a bombing waypoint anyway for them to engage a target. bomber #2 flies to the waypont in straight line as only #1 had the route, the others follow #2. it's a workaround, grouping would still be better of course. Edited July 25, 2019 by mono6020
Shahdoh Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 If lead gets taken out, the aircraft following lead will revert to their waypoints. No matter when that happens, those aircraft will turn back to the waypoint set just after the follow command, which will probably mean they back track to the start of the route, and then fly the route. Rinse repeat for every lead aircraft in the formation that gets taken out. I have gotten around this in the past by having each aircraft that is following another have additional change waypoint commands based on the timing of the route. What this does is if the aircraft they were supposed to follow gets taken out, the directions of which waypoint they should go to is based on what time it is, thus the mission continues relatively smoothly. This takes a bunch of work and entries (depending on the number of waypoints were set for the route).
Shahdoh Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Even with the B17's where you CAN have multiple aircraft in a group, then have other groups follow the 1st. When that lead group gets taken out, the other groups will revert to their original waypoints, again, backtracking more than likely. So, another trick I have used is to have those other groups (or individual units) have a different waypoint set then lead. Basically I remove all waypoints prior to the actual bombing waypoint. So, when the lead gets taken out, all other aircraft/groups immediately head for the bombing waypoint. Depending on how many turns you have in your route, this may work out well or it might not. But at least the rest of the formation attempts to drop their bombs on target without backtracking and starting the route over.
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