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I've been having issues with FR pauses since trying out DCS 2.5 on this machine with the new G-Sync monitor. I get 144 FPS (running at 144Hz) and then it drops to 0 for 1 second, then back to 144 for about 5, then back to 144, and on and on. Disabled wireless stuff and deleted drivers, deleted the two shader folders (mentioned somewhere here), dropped my graphics sliders way down, tried pre-load at minimum and maximum, then just upgraded from 16GB to 32GB RAM. Same results in my tried and true P51 Instant Action Ground attack mission, which surely is not demanding with two planes and about 10 BTRs.. Today I set my G-Sync back down to 60FPS, hopped in and played for 10 minutes with not one pause. I'll try it a few more times but *maybe* the problem was pushing out too high of a refresh rate with G-Sync? I hesitate to say "all is well" but thats the 1st time I saw 0 stutters.. Yesterday it paused and stayed paused for the 1st time, CTD (reported) and prompted me to try this today.. Fingers crossed, because it seems that many of the problems are on new high end machines and most/all are G-Sync or Free-Sync capable..

 

Edit: I think BitMaster nailed it (below), the GPU gets too hot after a short time playing and starts hiccuping.. Time to get the add-on GPU box and upgrade the video card, at least I can use it in a new system when i'm ready to build a watercooled monster..


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Is your Gsync ext. monitor driven by the INTERNAL 1080 ?

 

It could have very well been the case that w/o limiter and 90-99% GPU usage you ran into a thermal limiter that forced your card to slow down...and then go on again..until the next stop.

 

With fps capped at 60 you likely do not stress the GPU that much and never run in the limiter 1st place.

 

Do yourself a favor and install MSI Afterburner and check the OSD. Revert to uncapped and check the temp curve. It will be plain visible if I am right with my suspicion.

 

Laptop GPUs are more thermal limited than anything else.

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Is your Gsync ext. monitor driven by the INTERNAL 1080 ?

 

It could have very well been the case that w/o limiter and 90-99% GPU usage you ran into a thermal limiter that forced your card to slow down...and then go on again..until the next stop.

 

With fps capped at 60 you likely do not stress the GPU that much and never run in the limiter 1st place.

 

Do yourself a favor and install MSI Afterburner and check the OSD. Revert to uncapped and check the temp curve. It will be plain visible if I am right with my suspicion.

 

Laptop GPUs are more thermal limited than anything else.

 

Yes, it is Internal, I'll most likely build a game box before I add that big Alienware GPU add-on brick..I will take a look at Afterburner and see what it tells me Thanks!


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Not resolved, just took longer to start the 7 second and pause fun again. I'm done chasing this for now, I can fly BMS all day without issues, this is crazy...

Edit - being a glutton for punishment I ran another missio with MSI AB running, GPU hit 85C as a max, stayed about 83C for 10 minutes, saw no stutters/pauses this time.. no idea why.


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83-85c is right were the throttle will kick in. Add a hotter day‘s ambient temp and you tip the iceberg.

 

Keep Msi ab on and monitor more, i am sure it’s temp related

 

 

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83-85c is right were the throttle will kick in. Add a hotter day‘s ambient temp and you tip the iceberg.

 

Keep Msi ab on and monitor more, i am sure it’s temp related

 

 

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I think you are right and just tested it again with MSI display up while flying. The idle temp is 47C, as soon as I start DCS it rises to 53C and climbs until after 5 minutes flying it hit 88C and the stutters began. There are some hints online about undervolting to reduce temps but I think it's chasing a ghost, and even with the "Unlock Voltage Control" selected I cant do anything with Voltage in MSI, also can't control fan speed or temp limit, both unlocked but greyed out.

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In the msi software..fan speed..auto button...tick that off and you manual fan mode.

Set to 85% maybe.

Should keep temps down out of throttling range which I think kicks in at 82c.

This is how I set up before a DCS flying session.

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That's the dirty truth they dont tell you when buying a laptop with such a beefy card, sorry to say that.

 

You can do a few things:

 

Clean the laptop's cooler and fans from dust if there is any.

Lower the clock by a few % to save you from going above 85°C ever.

Increase the fan rpm up to 100% and see if that helps. Maybe in combination with 2-5% lower clocks.

 

Ask Dell, call them up and tell them how "&%$/" their cooling solution is. Dont sell a GPU that cant be stressed but throttles. Escalate it if needed, get a refund/return product.

I tortured Dell with my Laptop on the last day of it's 4 year warranty after they kaputt-repaired it in my own office. They gave me a good compensation just to get me off the phone. Just do not give in and escalate it if needed. Say " I am not satisfied with what you offer me. The device you sold me does not hold what was promised"

 

A gaming laptop that throttles it GPU is like a 10L water-canister with a hole at the 5L mark. USELESS.

 

I'd call Dell if you are within warranty.

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That's the dirty truth they dont tell you when buying a laptop with such a beefy card, sorry to say that.

 

You can do a few things:

 

Clean the laptop's cooler and fans from dust if there is any.

Lower the clock by a few % to save you from going above 85°C ever.

Increase the fan rpm up to 100% and see if that helps. Maybe in combination with 2-5% lower clocks.

 

To answer a couple of inputs -

 

The MSI controls for Fan Speed [%], Core Voltage [mv], Temp. Limit [%], and Power Limit [%] are greyed out, no way to enable them (I have all voltage/etc. ticked in setup). Fans and Fan screens clean, laptop is now lifted in rear to allow better airflow to fans. Used DDU in Safe mode to uninstall drivers, reinstalled latest, all went well. Fired up P51 Instant, watched both GPU and CPU temps. GPU never got above 75C this time, CPU hit a high of 90C but saw no reduction in rate (3.6 GHz). After about 5 minutes the pauses started, occur about every 8 seconds. On the MSI GPU temp graph it looks like a small dip in temp occurs around the same time. As for Dell warranty, it expired a year ago and at $275 for one year I think i'll pass... and trust me, the dry ice idea did cross my mind.. ;)

 

Thanks for the help guys!!


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There is one kind of computer (or car, or anything mechanical) issue I hate, it's one that seems to appear and then vanish! Your just waiting for it to come back like an ex-wife. The last "test" (above) was done right after I ticked "VSync" in options, which I set in the G-Sync to 60Hz. In game I noticed it was at close to 100, which seemed odd, but WTH.. it stuttered anyway. I watched a video on using MSI Afterburner after that and discovered how to display everything I wanted to see while flying. GPU Temp/Usage/Clock Speed, CPU Temp/Usage/Speed, and Fraps showing FPS and allowing for video once it started to stutter. In I go and I immediately notice FPS pegged at 60. I hop in P51 for 10 minutes, died, do another 20, quit, no stutters. Mig15 same deal, flew for 20-30, no stutters. Ran a few planes for about an hour, dogfights, etc., no stutters. I did notice a FR drop flying through heavy smoke vs. the old 100% rate, then 0, then 100%. I attached two screenshots that show MSI data, one at the mission start, one 10 minutes in. Check out the RAM usage, glad I upped to 32GB!... I'm almost afraid to play again....

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With 60 locked fps you shave off a good part of that heat, enough to have the card not stop&cool.

 

Yeah, 32GB is nice. It would never allow DCS 14+GB in a 16GB machine. you'd top out at roughly 12GB max.

 

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With 60 locked fps you shave off a good part of that heat, enough to have the card not stop&cool.

 

Yeah, 32GB is nice. It would never allow DCS 14+GB in a 16GB machine. you'd top out at roughly 12GB max.

 

Happy flying !

 

Well, after all that even at 60FPS I was not getting a fluid screenrate, wasn't pausing but just didn't look perfectly smooth when turning, etc. Kind of a high-speed stutter.. I went ahead and bought the Alienware Graphics Amplifier and a Gigabyte RTX 2080 to put in it to get the heat out of the laptop. Seems to have worked as the new card w/G-Sync set at 144Hz maxes out at about 75C (with custom fan configuration) and the CPU temp is down about 10C also (assume the case is cooling better without the GPU cooking in there). Deleted the FXO & Metashaders 2 folders, hopped in and no stutters, no pauses even after I spent a good 30 minutes in there and went through both P51's attacking those pesky BTRs.. :D

 

GPU Benchmark scores went up 35-40% too! Not a cheap upgrade, but figure i'll sell the AGA box off next year and build a new i9 system around the RTX 2080..:thumbup:


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Likely the card was maxed out anyway, like powerlimit etc... it can be tricky.

 

Glad you found the solution in the ext. card. But why not a 1080ti. Not available or too costly, if I may ask ?

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Likely the card was maxed out anyway, like powerlimit etc... it can be tricky.

 

Glad you found the solution in the ext. card. But why not a 1080ti. Not available or too costly, if I may ask ?

 

There current performance is very close, but the RTX 2080 is based on its new Turing architecture which boasts new AI and ray tracing technology that could eventually result in better GPU performance. As i'm planning more for tomorrow than today, I figured go with newer tech, and for me, the Zotac GTX 1080 Ti (only one I could find here) was substantially more costly than the RTX 2080, like 1300 euro with VAT vs the RTX 2080 at 800.

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For me, the most fluid play seems to be with G-Sync at 60Hz with everything in NVidia Control Panel set as Application Controlled with FXAA Off. Even Preferred Refresh rate for my monitor is Application Controlled. Locks me at 60FPS with drops into the 40's through heavy smoke/fire.

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For me, the most fluid play seems to be with G-Sync at 60Hz with everything in NVidia Control Panel set as Application Controlled with FXAA Off. Even Preferred Refresh rate for my monitor is Application Controlled. Locks me at 60FPS with drops into the 40's through heavy smoke/fire.

 

Well, I don't have a G-Sync monitor, but with the settings I have posted, everything flows like butter here. With the exception of Normandy, with any plane, of course. That map is completely and utterly busted.

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Well, I don't have a G-Sync monitor, but with the settings I have posted, everything flows like butter here. With the exception of Normandy, with any plane, of course. That map is completely and utterly busted.

 

That's a shame, bought it but haven't tried it much yet and was looking forward to a WWII campaign. This also doesn't bode well for a future Dynamic Campaign as it certainly won't be any simpler than this...

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Well, I don't have a G-Sync monitor, but with the settings I have posted, everything flows like butter here. With the exception of Normandy, with any plane, of course. That map is completely and utterly busted.

 

The folks who made Normandy said they would fix it after they finish with Syria map (is it Syria? Can't remember).

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The folks who made Normandy said they would fix it after they finish with Syria map (is it Syria? Can't remember).

 

Well, they should have fixed it BEFORE taking on themselves the endevour of

making a new map...

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Well, they should have fixed it BEFORE taking on themselves the endevour of

making a new map...

 

Ya think? And why would anyone BUY the Syria(?) map with the Normandy map being "unfinished", so you can have two broken maps?

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Ya think? And why would anyone BUY the Syria(?) map with the Normandy map being "unfinished", so you can have two broken maps?

 

Indeed.... I won’t buy anything from them until Normandy is fixed....

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Indeed.... I won’t buy anything from them until Normandy is fixed....

 

 

 

Me too

 

 

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