Mr. Wilson Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Hello everybody ! Question to the Hornet development team. Is it possible to add the JSOW-B bomb to the Hornet? It would help a lot in the realities of the game, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamMaximus Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Hello everybody ! Question to the Hornet development team. Is it possible to add the JSOW-B bomb to the Hornet? It would help a lot in the realities of the game, thanks. The US Navy never bought the AGM-154B (JSOW-B) after the USAF pulled out of the program, so it wouldn't make any sense to have it in DCS. Hardware: MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WiFi MB, i9-13900K @ 4.3GHz, 64GB DDR5, NVidia RTX 4090 24GB DDR6X, 2TB M.2 970 EVO Plus, 1TB SSD 850 EVO, Windows 11 Pro, HP Reverb G2, Tobii Head Tracker, TM Warthog HOTAS, TM F/A-18C Grip, TM Viper TQS Mission Pack, CH Pro Pedals. Modules: A-10A, A-10C, F/A-18C, P-51D-50, Fw 190 A-8, Fw 190 D-9, Bf 109 K-4, Spitfire IX, Mosquito FB VI, AJS-37 Viggen, M-2000C, F-86F, F-15C, F-15E, F-5E, F-14A/B, L-39C, MiG-21bis, MiG-19P, MiG-29, SU-27, SU-33, AV-8B, Mi-8MTV2, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D, Ka-50, UH-1H, SA342, A-4E-C, NTTR, PG, CA, Normandy, Channel, Syria, Marianas, South Atlantic, WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Hello everybody ! Question to the Hornet development team. Is it possible to add the JSOW-B bomb to the Hornet? It would help a lot in the realities of the game, thanks. Just get the Jeff, it has them :music_whistling: New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wilson Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, I heard about these features of the distribution of weapons, but the aircraft can still use it from the technical side ... it uses all other similar bombs. In the game world, can you make a conk for the benefit of players? Like for example the yellow window in f16, nothing prevented it from doing there ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gekoiq Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, I heard about these features of the distribution of weapons, but the aircraft can still use it from the technical side ... it uses all other similar bombs. In the game world, can you make a conk for the benefit of players? Like for example the yellow window in f16, nothing prevented it from doing there ... No it can't, just because a weapon will bolt up does not mean the plane knows what to do with it, how to launch it, and how to compute a solution for it, or even know what to call it in the systems. Each weapon, even different variants of the same weapons, require a software update to allow the plane to know the parameters of the individual weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, I heard about these features of the distribution of weapons, but the aircraft can still use it from the technical side ... Except the JSOW-B doesn't even really exist. USAF canceled the version in 2002 due to "technical problems and cost overruns" and the USN and USMC never bought it in the first place. The USAF took the money it had planned to spend on JSOW-B and put it into the WCMD-ER program. So, no, the Hornet can't technically carry JSOW-B because there aren't any for it to carry. The A and C variant are all that was ever made for operational use. Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Except the JSOW-B doesn't even really exist. USAF canceled the version in 2002 due to "technical problems and cost overruns" and the USN and USMC never bought it in the first place. The USAF took the money it had planned to spend on JSOW-B and put it into the WCMD-ER program. So, no, the Hornet can't technically carry JSOW-B because there aren't any for it to carry. The A and C variant are all that was ever made for operational use. Didn't that get canned as well? Its a shame about the JSOW-B not being an operational thing though as the CBU-97's sub-munitions are tons of fun on the F-16 once you figure out the quirks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Well the JSOW-B is on the list of weapons for the DCS-F16.... I mean who doesn't like SFW's. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isotaan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Well the JSOW-B is on the list of weapons for the DCS-F16.... I mean who doesn't like SFW's. That's only because the mob came after ED with torches and pitchforks. ED had initially had it on the weapons list, but removed it just before pre-orders when live. ED also removed triple rack Mavs since they were not used on the version of the F-16 that we have. Rather that continue to face the storm, ED added both back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 That's only because the mob came after ED with torches and pitchforks. ED had initially had it on the weapons list, but removed it just before pre-orders when live. ED also removed triple rack Mavs since they were not used on the version of the F-16 that we have. Rather that continue to face the storm, ED added both back in. I guess I followed the triple rack mav drama, but not the Jsow-B drama. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Didn't that get canned as well? Yup, WCMD-ER got canceled in 2006, shortly after failing a separation test. The USAF seems to think that the standard WCMD is sufficient for the missions it expects to fly, and it would appear that SFW submunitions are challenging to deliver by glide bomb. That's only because the mob came after ED with torches and pitchforks. ED had initially had it on the weapons list, but removed it just before pre-orders when live. ED also removed triple rack Mavs since they were not used on the version of the F-16 that we have. Ahhh, DCS drama. It just seems silly to me, since Mavs on tripple racks were a thing that was done and can easily be done again, while JSOW-B never went beyond low-rate production. But whatever, it's a game and we're all here to have fun right? Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfr Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 That's only because the mob came after ED with torches and pitchforks. ED had initially had it on the weapons list, but removed it just before pre-orders when live. ED also removed triple rack Mavs since they were not used on the version of the F-16 that we have. Rather that continue to face the storm, ED added both back in. Wow, didn't realise they'd backed down on the triple rack Mavs. Hopefully they code into the damage model a suitably high probability of the third round's motor burning your flaperons off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raelias Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Wow, didn't realise they'd backed down on the triple rack Mavs. Hopefully they code into the damage model a suitably high probability of the third round's motor burning your flaperons off? That would be a nice way to give in to the pressure BUT make it pretty much unusable in a realistic way haha Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
launchedsquid Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Ahhh, DCS drama. It just seems silly to me, since Mavs on tripple racks were a thing that was done and can easily be done again, while JSOW-B never went beyond low-rate production. But whatever, it's a game and we're all here to have fun right? The Air Force doesn't carry three Mavs on the triple rack though, because the rocket motor plug in the mav can hit and cause critical damage to the stabilator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The Air Force doesn't carry three Mavs on the triple rack though, because the rocket motor plug in the mav can hit and cause critical damage to the stabilator. Isn't that something that was done at one point and then changed? Or am I getting confused between the F-16 and A-10? Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid18120 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Isn't that something that was done at one point and then changed? Or am I getting confused between the F-16 and A-10? In the A10 AFAIK the triple-MAV rack isn't used because the inner MAV would potentially cause damage to the landing gear. I also read that the TGP should be set to standby mode while launching the outer MAV on the same wing to avoid damaging the optics [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The Air Force doesn't carry three Mavs on the triple rack though, because the rocket motor plug in the mav can hit and cause critical damage to the stabilator. That's for the F-16. The A-10 can still carry 2 Mavs on a triple rack. The inner third Mav's exhaust would potentially singe the landing gear and that why it's not used, or so I've read. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isotaan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Isn't that something that was done at one point and then changed? Or am I getting confused between the F-16 and A-10? You're correct. 80's-era F-16s did fly with triple Mavs, but the LAU-88 (triple ejector rack) was discontinued for operational F-16 flights for reasons stated in this thread. The drama llamas who complained said that the LAU-88 could have been used in wartime if the USAF needed it. Which I suppose is true, but that theory is true for a lot of things that could have been done but never were. The llamas don't want to acknowledge that our F-16 module isn't supposed to model the entire historical weapons loadout over a 30+ year lifespan. Unlike ED's Hornet, the Viper is supposed to be a snapshot of a mid-2000's F-16CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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