ValiantOne Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) These are instructions for those having issues with their TFRP Pedals not working correctly when first introduced to DCS World. If you are not having issues SKIP AND IGNORE these instructions. I was having one heck of a time trying to get my Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedals working in DCS. My aircraft would make a hard Left Roll when I applied left rudder, and my right rudder also acted contrary. So in short, my Rudder Pedals were not working as advertised. I did massive searches on Google, and found this was happening with some TFRP Pedals but no one had a good solid answer for what needed to be done to fix the issue. All the suggestions I followed led me down the wrong path. I experimented until I found the solution. The Toe/Wheel Brakes need to have the Axis' inverted to let the entire rudder system to work properly. Once I selected the INVERT function in the DCS Control Software it completely fixed the issues. Here is the step by step list of what I did to fix the issues. I hope it works for you all. NOTE: Each Aircraft has slightly to radically different setups in the CONTROLS Menu. This is for a F/A-18. You will need to adapt the instructions below for you specific Aircraft (A-10, F-16, etc.). Here is a guide to setting up the Thrustmaster TFRP Pedals: Enter the CONTROLS menu (Sub-menu of OPTIONS) for the Aircraft you want to fly/configure Look for the Column with the Heading of T_RUDDER Select the Category of T_RUDDER (Mouse over the Category Heading of T_RUDDER and depress the left mouse button) Select the CLEAR CATEGORY button (Grey Button above the Category Columns)... Yes this will clear ALL the sections in the Category! Make sure you have selected the correct Category of T-RUDDER! After the Category clears, go the upper left (below the CONTROLS Tab). Select the AXIS COMMANDS from the radio box present. Look on the left side for the Row of RUDDER. Select the Row to the right of RUDDER, under the Column of T-RUDDER (It is a small but stretched box) Select the grey ADD Button on the bottom row Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_Z Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box You should be back to the CONTROLS box Select the T-RUDDER box from the WHEEL BRAKE LEFT row Select the grey ADD button from the bottom buttons Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_Y Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box You should be back to the CONTROLS box Select the T-RUDDER box from the WHEEL BRAKE RIGHT row Select the grey ADD button from the bottom buttons Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_X Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box Now select the WHEEL BRAKE LEFT row under the T-RUDDER Column (The small but stretched box). It should now have JOY_Y in the box With the above box selected, depress the AXIS TUNE Button on the bottom row of buttons Once in AXIS TUNE, Select the Checkbox with the word INVERT. Make sure you depress the left mouse button over the Checkbox to activate the INVERT Press the green OK Button You should be back at the CONTROLS box Now select the WHEEL BRAKE RIGHT row under the T-RUDDER Column (The small but stretched box). It should now have JOY_X in the box With the above box selected, depress the AXIS TUNE Button on the bottom row of buttons Once in AXIS TUNE, Select the Checkbox with the word INVERT. Make sure you depress the left mouse button over the Checkbox to activate the INVERT Press the green OK Button You should be back at the CONTROLS box IMPORTANT -Now click the green OK button in the lower right corner of the CONTROLS box. This will save your changes to the Aircraft you have assigned for the Control modification. ALSO: Check to make sure your USB Adapter Switch for the TFRP is set to the PLANE not the CAR! This is a basic controls tutorial for setting up the TFRP Pedals for Rudder control. You will have to follow this procedure for every Aircraft you fly. Of course more advanced users may alter the Control Curve under each Axis if so desired. Happy Flying all! :thumbup: Edited March 2, 2020 by ValiantOne Clarify this may be an Uncommon issue. Warning about changing 1
msmith301 Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) I was having one heck of a time trying to get my Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedals working in DCS. My aircraft would make a hard Left Roll when I applied left rudder, and my right rudder also acted contrary. So in short, my Rudder Pedals were not working as advertised. I did massive searches on Google, and found this was common with the TFRP Pedals but no one had a good solid answer for what needed to be done to fix the issue. All the suggestions I followed led me down the wrong path. I experimented until I found the solution. The Toe/Wheel Brakes need to have the Axis' inverted to let the entire rudder system to work properly. Once I selected the INVERT function in the DCS Control Software it completely fixed the issues. Here is the step by step list of what I did to fix the issues. I hope it works for you all. Here is a guide to setting up the Thrustmaster TFRP Pedals: Enter the CONTROLS menu (Sub-menu of OPTIONS) for the Aircraft you want to fly/configure Look for the Column with the Heading of T_RUDDER Select the Category of T_RUDDER (Mouse over the Category Heading of T_RUDDER and depress the left mouse button) Select the CLEAR CATEGORY button (Grey Button above the Category Columns)... Yes this will clear ALL the sections in the Category! Make sure you have selected the correct Category of T-RUDDER! After the Category clears, go the upper left (below the CONTROLS Tab). Select the AXIS COMMANDS from the radio box present. Look on the left side for the Row of RUDDER. Select the Row to the right of RUDDER, under the Column of T-RUDDER (It is a small but stretched box) Select the grey ADD Button on the bottom row Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_Z Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box You should be back to the CONTROLS box Select the T-RUDDER box from the WHEEL BRAKE LEFT row Select the grey ADD button from the bottom buttons Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_Y Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box You should be back to the CONTROLS box Select the T-RUDDER box from the WHEEL BRAKE RIGHT row Select the grey ADD button from the bottom buttons Select the KEY/BUTTON Radio Box and select JOY_X Select green OK button on the bottom of the ADD box Now select the WHEEL BRAKE LEFT row under the T-RUDDER Column (The small but stretched box). It should now have JOY_Y in the box With the above box selected, depress the AXIS TUNE Button on the bottom row of buttons Once in AXIS TUNE, Select the Checkbox with the word INVERT. Make sure you depress the left mouse button over the Checkbox to activate the INVERT Press the green OK Button You should be back at the CONTROLS box Now select the WHEEL BRAKE RIGHT row under the T-RUDDER Column (The small but stretched box). It should now have JOY_X in the box With the above box selected, depress the AXIS TUNE Button on the bottom row of buttons Once in AXIS TUNE, Select the Checkbox with the word INVERT. Make sure you depress the left mouse button over the Checkbox to activate the INVERT Press the green OK Button You should be back at the CONTROLS box IMPORTANT -Now click the green OK button in the lower right corner of the CONTROLS box. This will save your changes to the Aircraft you have assigned for the Control modification. ALSO: Check to make sure your USB Adapter Switch for the TFRP is set to the PLANE not the CAR! This is a basic controls tutorial for setting up the TFRP Pedals for Rudder control. You will have to follow this procedure for every Aircraft you fly. Of course more advanced users may alter the Control Curve under each Axis if so desired. Happy Flying all! :thumbup: Damn!! I thought all the new high tech gear was plug and play?:shocking: I was actually just looking these over thinking about setting them up with a new TM Warthog setup I'm looking at on Amazon. My roll gimbal for my TM HOTAS Cougar just broke in half the other night and i can't find a replacement without buying a whole new stick. I was also thinking about using the CH Rudder pedals. Seem heavier duty. Edited March 1, 2020 by msmith301
ValiantOne Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 Damn!! I thought all the new high tech gear was plug and play?:shocking: I was actually just looking these over thinking about setting them up with a new TM Warthog setup I'm looking at on Amazon. My roll gimbal for my TM HOTAS Cougar just broke in half the other night and i can't find a replacement without buying a whole new stick. I was also thinking about using the CH Rudder pedals. Seem heavier duty. I am with you, I had heard the TFRP Pedals were "Plug and Play". I struggled with the TFRP's until I figured out the INVERT on the Toe Brakes, then they work pretty well. You still need set the CURVE to get the best results, however. If I had a choice, I would go with the CH Rudder Pedals. They are more comfortable (the feet pads are spaced further apart than the TFRP), and sturdier. Happy Flying, my friend! :)
lxsapper Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 Plug and play means window recognized and installs the required drivers upon connecting to an USB port. This (perhaps over detailed) explanation is about how to bind them correctly to each DCS aircraft. It's up to each DCS module to have or not default assignments for each controller. But given the amount of controllers available this could be a rather monumental task. So the way it usually works is instead of having default assignments for all controllers on the market. DCS modules follow a strategy of: axis#1-do this... , Axis#2, etc. And the same for the digital inputs. 1
ValiantOne Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 Plug and play means window recognized and installs the required drivers upon connecting to an USB port. This (perhaps over detailed) explanation is about how to bind them correctly to each DCS aircraft. It's up to each DCS module to have or not default assignments for each controller. But given the amount of controllers available this could be a rather monumental task. So the way it usually works is instead of having default assignments for all controllers on the market. DCS modules follow a strategy of: axis#1-do this... , Axis#2, etc. And the same for the digital inputs. I have found if one does not "over detail" an explanation when referring to a complicated set of instructions, then people come back and ask for said detail concerning those instructions. I would rather provide a step by step guide to assist those not familiar with the binding process, then leave people "hanging" to figure out how to bind the TFRP themselves. If it is "over detailed" for you, you are free to skip over the instructions. :smilewink: I know what Plug and Play is, but thank you for the (perhaps over detailed) explanation. It may assist those people out there not understanding one needs to still bind the axis' to the correct outputs on the TFRP. So your insight is helpful and appreciated. :)
Skeinon Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Greetings all, I still not understand the issue... my rudder pedals was always works well without any inversion... They needs only be reassigned at first setup (autodetection make a conflict with TM throttle) Can anyone tell me what is not ok with the normal bind ? ValiantOne post talk about a roll turn when pedals are activated, a roll on the fuselage axle when rudders is called is'nt normal? Also using Z and X keys do the same.... many thanks Edited March 2, 2020 by Skeinon
ValiantOne Posted March 2, 2020 Author Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Greetings all, I still not understand the issue... my rudder pedals was always works well without any inversion... They needs only be reassigned at first setup (autodetection make a conflict with TM throttle) Can anyone tell me what is not ok with the normal bind ? ValiantOne post talk about a roll turn when pedals are activated, a roll on the fuselage axle when rudders is called is'nt normal? Also using Z and X keys do the same.... many thanks Rudder pedals YAW an aircraft. My TFRP Pedals were causing a hard Left ROLL (Left Pedal) and a hard Right DIVE (Right Pedal) when activated, before I INVERTED the Toe Brakes. When I inverted my Toe Brakes, the TFRP Pedals begin YAWING the Aircraft like they were supposed to do. If the Normal Bind works for you, DO NOT change a thing. Maybe it is an issue with only some TFRP Pedals (or the assignments DCS places automatically on the TFRP) and not all. I posted my results and instructions for those people I saw online with similar issues to mine. I hope that explains my reasoning. :) NOTE: I may be wrong and this could be just an uncommon issue I kept running into during my searches. If so I apologize. My intent was to assist those with issues around the TFRP and correct bindings. Edited March 2, 2020 by ValiantOne Clarify and apologize if I am wrong about this.
Skeinon Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 Understand... luckily, no hard roll for me.. only the normal counterposed bank roll as expected
ValiantOne Posted March 2, 2020 Author Posted March 2, 2020 Understand... luckily, no hard roll for me.. only the normal counterposed bank roll as expected I am glad yours works as intended, that is truly awesome. I just hope my instructions assist those wayward people with issues. Take care my friend, and Happy Flying! :thumbup:
lxsapper Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 The reason all pedals I know of have this behavior by defaul with all aircraft, it's because the break axis resgister in windows and X and Y, and DCS assigns them automatically to control aircraft pitch and roll, but to make things worst these axis are not centered at rest but at max value in one direction. Z axis usually is assigned correctly to rudder. So you need to reasign them correctly to left and right toe brakes. And this is where the inversion is often needed as most pedals have their electronic response set one way, but DCS considers this position should be max breaking rather than no breaking. If this is the case for you and you don't invert your toe breakes you will be fully breaked when you let go and unbreak when you press them in.
ValiantOne Posted March 2, 2020 Author Posted March 2, 2020 The reason all pedals I know of have this behavior by defaul with all aircraft, it's because the break axis resgister in windows and X and Y, and DCS assigns them automatically to control aircraft pitch and roll, but to make things worst these axis are not centered at rest but at max value in one direction. Z axis usually is assigned correctly to rudder. So you need to reasign them correctly to left and right toe brakes. And this is where the inversion is often needed as most pedals have their electronic response set one way, but DCS considers this position should be max breaking rather than no breaking. If this is the case for you and you don't invert your toe breakes you will be fully breaked when you let go and unbreak when you press them in. Thanks for the excellent explanation! I think you nailed the issue myself and others are having. Thanks again, Happy Flying!! :thumbup:
Solbaru Posted October 3, 2021 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Im having this issue now as well, I have been using these pedals for a couple of years without issue. Just bought a virpil throttle and now my TFRP pedals have gone to shit. Toe brakes on bot have gone inverted. No matter what I do I can not remove this inversion. Go to the control settings and tick the invert box doesn't change anything. When I look at the output from the VPC tester I can see it inverted but I thought the invert checkbox would solve this. it doesn't. Thru the thristmaster calibration tool everything looks fine. as I said, very strange, this has been working fine for years. I have unplugged everything and uninstalled the thrustmaster software a couple of times. cannot solve this. Anyone have any ideas??? Further investigation, I opened Xplane 11 on my PC and setup the pedals and the invert setting works correctly in the SIM. Looks to be an issue with DCS. Edited October 4, 2021 by Solbaru
RCD Posted May 22, 2022 Posted May 22, 2022 Thanks much for this information. Recently bought TFRP pedals had MAJOR issues with F-16, F-14 & F-5 toe brakes ….rudders work fine until you you tap the toe brakes & then all hell broke loose. Followed your guide lines & that completely solved the problem…..again THANK YOU very much!
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